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Old Jul 28, 17, 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
Who else is offering wifi in the shorthaul European market. DY, who else?
Should the question not be "who will be offering" to keep it within the same context?
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Old Jul 28, 17, 7:44 am
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Norwegian offer free wifi on European flights
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Old Jul 28, 17, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
Exactly this:

More frequent schedules; better handling in cases of routine disruption (due to more frequent schedules); possibility of protection on other carriers at time of disruption; the possibility to upgrade (particularly where corporate policy may dictate Y, but the passenger wants to pay the difference); possibility of connecting (at the right fare); wifi (soon); airports that may be more convenient (LCY, LHR), although LCCs are starting to operate from key airports; better network coverage for business travellers.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 7:48 am
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Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
better network coverage for business travellers.
Is that still true? U2's network is now not too shabby.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 8:04 am
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You must have loaded more than three BoB sandwiches for the whole cabin, surely ...........
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Old Jul 28, 17, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
Exactly this:

More frequent schedules; better handling in cases of routine disruption (due to more frequent schedules); possibility of protection on other carriers at time of disruption; the possibility to upgrade (particularly where corporate policy may dictate Y, but the passenger wants to pay the difference); possibility of connecting (at the right fare); wifi (soon); airports that may be more convenient (LCY, LHR), although LCCs are starting to operate from key airports; better network coverage for business travellers.
ok well to take your points in turn
route dependent but doubtful overall ,
you really must be joking,
maybe but frequent reports of this being denied especially in the IT fiasco,
yes but why bother to upgrade to the enhanced CE,
connecting at LHR is problematic at best and most LCCs often better regional direct flights,
Wifi well not yet and already on such as DY for free and pretty good it was when I used it,
convenience of airports well that depends on whether you are near LHR or not and abroad U2 use same airports,
better network is debatable
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Old Jul 28, 17, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by YorkieFlyer View Post
Without status what exactly does BA now offer that is better than U2 or FR?
Apart from the most obvious ones which have already been pointed out that U2 and FR don't offer.....not a lot if travelling in Y.

I don't see anyone disputing that though.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 10:33 am
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Are LH now rolling this out comprehensively? And who are the several others in the European market?
Time to stop digging perhaps? You named something as a benefit of BA that BA don't even offer that some of it's competitors already do?
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Old Jul 28, 17, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
Exactly this:

More frequent schedules; better handling in cases of routine disruption (due to more frequent schedules); possibility of protection on other carriers at time of disruption; the possibility to upgrade (particularly where corporate policy may dictate Y, but the passenger wants to pay the difference); possibility of connecting (at the right fare); wifi (soon); airports that may be more convenient (LCY, LHR), although LCCs are starting to operate from key airports; better network coverage for business travellers.
1. More frequent schedules - no.
2. Ergo, better handling due to more frequent schedules - no.
3. Possibility of protection on other carriers at time of disruption - maybe, many reports of this being denied, especially if we're talking about non-status pax. Not really observable to the average passenger booking a flight is it?
4. The possibility to upgrade (particularly where corporate policy may dictate Y. Again, irrelevant to someone voluntarily booking SH Y.
5. possibility of connecting (at the right fare). Or I could just use a LCC from my local airport so i don't have to connect through LHR?
6. wifi (soon). Already available on other airlines.
7. Airports that may be more convenient (LCY, LHR). Or airports that are probably less convenient, unless you happen to live near either of these 2, with BA you will have to connect, LCCs take you direct and fly from more airports.
8. leading to...better network coverage for business travellers. I'm not sure how you're choosing to narrowly define this, but LCCs fly from more airports in Britain to more airports in Europe.

So on 6 out of your 8 points, and especially the most important ones of network, scheduling, direct flights, BA are actually inferior unless you think everyone wants the LHR experience wherever they live. I'll give you the upgrade point as I'm feeling generous
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Old Jul 28, 17, 11:33 am
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Looks like Virgin is jumping at the opportunity opened up by the piece...

I've got a booked itinerary in Y just before Christmas, SEA-LHR-JNB. VS offered some shockingly low fares of ~$880 early in December but alas, school holidays dictates when we can go. Obviously that fare was not available to us. BA came out the cheapest by about $200 across the board. Yes, even cheaper than EK. VS offering now in Y is about $250 more per person than what I paid for. In Y+, $5900 vs BA's $2709. VS's offer to #ABBA is a $50 discount.

Now I realize that it's the silly season, but if you have a family of 4, that's an $800 difference. That's a significant difference.

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Old Jul 28, 17, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Dan72 View Post
Exactly this:

More frequent schedules; better handling in cases of routine disruption (due to more frequent schedules); possibility of protection on other carriers at time of disruption; the possibility to upgrade (particularly where corporate policy may dictate Y, but the passenger wants to pay the difference); possibility of connecting (at the right fare); wifi (soon); airports that may be more convenient (LCY, LHR), although LCCs are starting to operate from key airports; better network coverage for business travellers.
Come on now Dan.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by nallison View Post
Time to stop digging perhaps? You named something as a benefit of BA that BA don't even offer that some of it's competitors already do?
I clearly acknowledged that BA didn't yet offer wifi. When asked who apart from BA (and DY) who was offering shorthaul wifi, I got the thinnest answer that included - 'several (unnamed) others'.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Paralytic View Post
I uncovered a picture of Dan72 coming up with that list



This is Dan hiding from most of the people on this thread. Come to think of it, if most of the people on this thread are avoiding BA, I can think of another benefit of flying BA to add to my list.

On the list... it was rattled together during an idle moment at work, for most London business travellers I think it holds true. If it doesn't hold true for you, fly someone else. I really don't get the hand wringing over choice of an air carrier. Competition is a good thing, it provides choice and keeps prices at historic lows.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 1:59 pm
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This is Dan hiding from most of the people on this thread. Come to think of it, if most of the people on this thread are avoiding BA, I can think of another benefit of flying BA to add to my list.


For what it's worth, it's important to have a counter point in these threads or it quickly becomes an echo chamber.
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Old Jul 28, 17, 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
For what it's worth, it's important to have a counter point in these threads or it quickly becomes an echo chamber.
I agree. Wait, no, I don't!
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