Jul 9, 2017, 11:09 am
Last edit by: Tobias-UK
This is community help desk which allows members to assist each other in finding out how many seats are available on any given flight.
If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.
Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.
As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.
Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed and probably unauthorised (so buyer beware)
What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...
This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.
There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.
2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.
What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.
The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.
Differences for non-BA airlines
If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.
Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.
As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.
Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed and probably unauthorised (so buyer beware)
What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...
This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.
There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.
2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.
What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.
The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.
Differences for non-BA airlines
- Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
- Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
Help to check BA seat availability and BA flight loads
Jan 26, 2018, 12:30 pm
#1066
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: BA Silver, Honors Gold
Posts: 169
Indeed its not exactly transparent. G2 on 23APR18 yet the Japan explorer fare (which apparently is G class) has plenty availability (>2)
Never could fathom JAL award availability!
Jan 26, 2018, 12:40 pm
#1067
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: BA Silver, Honors Gold
Posts: 169
This is 17 Apr: J0 Y9 H9 G9
It's a bit of a weird one. Basically JL are only selling 3 x economy buckets for this route - or rather 2, as I can't see any H Class fares loaded (may exist for CONSOL/ITX fares).
They do a discounted 30 day APEX in G, then Y, then J, but I can't see any J available all year. There is an F Class fare loaded, but I can't see any F
So what's i'd deduct is that there is another fare bucket for redemptions that are not publicly available. That's quite common - I use it for staff fares. You can't actually see the availability in a certain subclass, so have to manually request / long sell to get availability. No idea what it is though, so can't request it (ie. one Gulf Carrier offer staff fares in X Class which you can't see). You'd need someone at the airline to confirm what bucket the BA redemptions are booked into.
It's a bit of a weird one. Basically JL are only selling 3 x economy buckets for this route - or rather 2, as I can't see any H Class fares loaded (may exist for CONSOL/ITX fares).
They do a discounted 30 day APEX in G, then Y, then J, but I can't see any J available all year. There is an F Class fare loaded, but I can't see any F
So what's i'd deduct is that there is another fare bucket for redemptions that are not publicly available. That's quite common - I use it for staff fares. You can't actually see the availability in a certain subclass, so have to manually request / long sell to get availability. No idea what it is though, so can't request it (ie. one Gulf Carrier offer staff fares in X Class which you can't see). You'd need someone at the airline to confirm what bucket the BA redemptions are booked into.
I love to fly JAL, but their booking/reservation anomalies are frustrating!
Jan 26, 2018, 12:56 pm
#1068
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 312
LHR to YYZ
Hi
can someone kindly give me the load data for the follwing;
Ba93 LHR - YYZ 19/05/18
Ba98 YYZ - LHR 26/05/18
cheers
nice one.
can someone kindly give me the load data for the follwing;
Ba93 LHR - YYZ 19/05/18
Ba98 YYZ - LHR 26/05/18
cheers
nice one.
Jan 26, 2018, 1:12 pm
#1069
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London
Programs: BAEC : GGL; HHonors : Diamond
Posts: 181
Thanks for this! I did call JAL in London to enquire - while she was looking, she did 'say' X (to herself) while searching but when I enquired if 'X' was the fare class for such a redemption seat she promptly told me to ignore it! Meanwhile she then went on to confuse the hell out of me - first she said it was an 'embargo' date (23APR) but when I enquired she couldn't tell me which dates were embargoed, then she told me I could only book an Avios reward flight in the two months preceding the flight date - (which most know is again nonsense) and finally told me the flights that do currently show on BA.COM as being available (e.g. 17APR18 where 5 economy/reward seats show as being available...some available in May18 also) it would actually not be possible to book them!
I love to fly JAL, but their booking/reservation anomalies are frustrating!
I love to fly JAL, but their booking/reservation anomalies are frustrating!
I sympathise with you! I lived in Japan for a few years and their booking system used to drive me crazy for cash tickets. Awards on Avios were also a bit hit and miss, often I would complete the booking, past payment page and then it would throw back an error. Calling BA they would then say it's not available, although the BA website still shows it available! Might be best to give BA a call to check actual availability!
I have some miles with JAL and had a quick look at their website to see if I any useful info.
The 2 months rule is true (at least for JAL members, I'm trying to remember if also true for Avios rewards, but think most of my bookings were international not domestic.):
"Award reservations will be accepted no earlier than 9:30 (Japan time) on the same calendar day as the flight date, two months prior to departure (*1) and no later than four days prior to the departure date (Japan time)." taken from JAL Mileage Bank - JAL Group Airlines Domestic Award Tickets : How to Request Awards
Also on the same page, it talks about restricted dates, although I must admit I cannot make sense of this:
Hope you manage to book your tickets ok!
Jan 26, 2018, 1:14 pm
#1070
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London
Programs: BAEC : GGL; HHonors : Diamond
Posts: 181
Sure, here you are:
BA93: F4 A3 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 T6 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N8 Q0 O0 G0
BA98: F3 A0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0
Jan 26, 2018, 2:24 pm
#1071
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: BA Silver, Honors Gold
Posts: 169
Hi
I sympathise with you! I lived in Japan for a few years and their booking system used to drive me crazy for cash tickets. Awards on Avios were also a bit hit and miss, often I would complete the booking, past payment page and then it would throw back an error. Calling BA they would then say it's not available, although the BA website still shows it available! Might be best to give BA a call to check actual availability!
I have some miles with JAL and had a quick look at their website to see if I any useful info.
The 2 months rule is true (at least for JAL members, I'm trying to remember if also true for Avios rewards, but think most of my bookings were international not domestic.):
"Award reservations will be accepted no earlier than 9:30 (Japan time) on the same calendar day as the flight date, two months prior to departure (*1) and no later than four days prior to the departure date (Japan time)." taken from JAL Mileage Bank - JAL Group Airlines Domestic Award Tickets : How to Request Awards
Also on the same page, it talks about restricted dates, although I must admit I cannot make sense of this:
Hope you manage to book your tickets ok!
I sympathise with you! I lived in Japan for a few years and their booking system used to drive me crazy for cash tickets. Awards on Avios were also a bit hit and miss, often I would complete the booking, past payment page and then it would throw back an error. Calling BA they would then say it's not available, although the BA website still shows it available! Might be best to give BA a call to check actual availability!
I have some miles with JAL and had a quick look at their website to see if I any useful info.
The 2 months rule is true (at least for JAL members, I'm trying to remember if also true for Avios rewards, but think most of my bookings were international not domestic.):
"Award reservations will be accepted no earlier than 9:30 (Japan time) on the same calendar day as the flight date, two months prior to departure (*1) and no later than four days prior to the departure date (Japan time)." taken from JAL Mileage Bank - JAL Group Airlines Domestic Award Tickets : How to Request Awards
Also on the same page, it talks about restricted dates, although I must admit I cannot make sense of this:
Hope you manage to book your tickets ok!
I have booked JL domestic >2mths out previously...plus its definitely an oddity with ITM-NRT route alone (which only has 1-2 flights per day) - for example ITM/KIX(OSA)-HND is wide open each day (incl 23APR) with tonnes of award availability across the numerous flights each day.
But..it's Japan, theres no winning, one must conform and not question it (otherwise just get lucky!)
Jan 26, 2018, 7:08 pm
#1072
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 178
Thanks!
I have booked JL domestic >2mths out previously...plus its definitely an oddity with ITM-NRT route alone (which only has 1-2 flights per day) - for example ITM/KIX(OSA)-HND is wide open each day (incl 23APR) with tonnes of award availability across the numerous flights each day.
But..it's Japan, theres no winning, one must conform and not question it (otherwise just get lucky!)
I have booked JL domestic >2mths out previously...plus its definitely an oddity with ITM-NRT route alone (which only has 1-2 flights per day) - for example ITM/KIX(OSA)-HND is wide open each day (incl 23APR) with tonnes of award availability across the numerous flights each day.
But..it's Japan, theres no winning, one must conform and not question it (otherwise just get lucky!)
Jan 27, 2018, 4:50 pm
#1073
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,949
JAL award availability is not visible on expertflyer, and for domestic flights the fare buckets do not correspond to local availability nor local fares. Before they upgraded their booking systems, availability in N class could be tied to international economy award availability with I class implying business award availability but this no longer holds true. If anyone figures out a new pattern then there's a thread on the JAL forum which would be a more appropriate place to expand on this.
[KVS Tool 8.7.8/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
ITM Osaka Itami Intl JP [RJOO] TYO Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND MON 23 Apr 2018 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Award Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------ JL 106 ITM 08:30 HND 09:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS4 JL 114 ITM 11:30 HND 12:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 JL 116 ITM 12:30 HND 13:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 JL 118 ITM 13:30 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 JL 120 ITM 14:30 HND 15:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 JL 126 ITM 16:30 HND 17:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 JL 128 ITM 17:20 HND 18:30 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 JL 130 ITM 18:30 HND 19:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS4 JL 138 ITM 20:20 HND 21:30 0 FS0 CS0 YS3 JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 506 CTS 11:00 HND 12:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 508 CTS 12:00 HND 13:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 510 CTS 13:00 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 510 CTS 13:00 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 512 CTS 14:00 HND 15:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 514 CTS 15:00 HND 16:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 522 CTS 18:00 HND 19:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 524 CTS 19:00 HND 20:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5 -> JL 526 CTS 20:00 HND 21:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+ JL 2019 ITM 19:00 CTS 20:45 0 FS0 CS0 YS2 -> JL 530 CTS 21:20 HND 23:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
Jan 28, 2018, 3:10 am
#1074
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 256
If someone has a moment:
LHR/FCO BA546 3 February.
Thank you.
LHR/FCO BA546 3 February.
Thank you.
Jan 28, 2018, 8:24 am
#1076
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: London
Programs: BAEC Gold, Accor Live Limitless Gold, Hilton Honours Gold, Avis Preferred Plus
Posts: 1,806
Hi all,
If somebody could give me the availability on the following, I would be much appreciative:
PRG/LHR BA857 04/02/18 18:35
LHR/JED BA133 04/02/18 22:05
JED/LHR BA132 14/02/18 09:05
Many thanks!
If somebody could give me the availability on the following, I would be much appreciative:
PRG/LHR BA857 04/02/18 18:35
LHR/JED BA133 04/02/18 22:05
JED/LHR BA132 14/02/18 09:05
Many thanks!
Jan 28, 2018, 10:00 am
#1077
Join Date: Jun 2013
Programs: BA Silver, Honors Gold
Posts: 169
JL Award Booking Classes are Z/U/P/T and Z/D/P/S (for domestic flights with JP), all of which are supported in the KVS Tool and shown as FS/CS/WS/YS respectively -- please refer to the JL Section of the KVS Tool User Guide for full details.
[KVS Tool 8.7.8/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
ITM Osaka Itami Intl JP [RJOO]
TYO Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
MON 23 Apr 2018 1 Seat
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Award Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------
JL 106 ITM 08:30 HND 09:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS4
JL 114 ITM 11:30 HND 12:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 116 ITM 12:30 HND 13:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 118 ITM 13:30 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 120 ITM 14:30 HND 15:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 126 ITM 16:30 HND 17:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 128 ITM 17:20 HND 18:30 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 130 ITM 18:30 HND 19:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS4
JL 138 ITM 20:20 HND 21:30 0 FS0 CS0 YS3
JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 506 CTS 11:00 HND 12:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 508 CTS 12:00 HND 13:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 510 CTS 13:00 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 510 CTS 13:00 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 512 CTS 14:00 HND 15:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 514 CTS 15:00 HND 16:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 522 CTS 18:00 HND 19:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 524 CTS 19:00 HND 20:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 526 CTS 20:00 HND 21:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2019 ITM 19:00 CTS 20:45 0 FS0 CS0 YS2
-> JL 530 CTS 21:20 HND 23:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
[KVS Tool 8.7.8/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
ITM Osaka Itami Intl JP [RJOO]
TYO Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND
MON 23 Apr 2018 1 Seat
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Award Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------
JL 106 ITM 08:30 HND 09:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS4
JL 114 ITM 11:30 HND 12:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 116 ITM 12:30 HND 13:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 118 ITM 13:30 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 120 ITM 14:30 HND 15:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 126 ITM 16:30 HND 17:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 128 ITM 17:20 HND 18:30 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
JL 130 ITM 18:30 HND 19:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS4
JL 138 ITM 20:20 HND 21:30 0 FS0 CS0 YS3
JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 506 CTS 11:00 HND 12:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 508 CTS 12:00 HND 13:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2001 ITM 08:25 CTS 10:10 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 510 CTS 13:00 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 510 CTS 13:00 HND 14:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 512 CTS 14:00 HND 15:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2005 ITM 10:15 CTS 12:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 514 CTS 15:00 HND 16:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 522 CTS 18:00 HND 19:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 524 CTS 19:00 HND 20:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2009 ITM 15:35 CTS 17:20 0 FS0 CS0 YS5
-> JL 526 CTS 20:00 HND 21:40 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
JL 2019 ITM 19:00 CTS 20:45 0 FS0 CS0 YS2
-> JL 530 CTS 21:20 HND 23:00 0 FS0 CS0 YS+
As it shows, ITM-HND is wide open (in YS) with minimum 3-5 seats available on each flight (and corresponds with BA.COM). Am just curious as to why the ITM-NRT is skipped....
(also it blows the two months 'rule' out of the water...as I already knew from experience myself; it also suggests 23APR is not an embargoed date on the Osaka-Tokyo domestic service)
Jan 28, 2018, 10:10 am
#1078
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Programs: BA Silver - hard drop from GGL :( SPG Gold, Hilton Diamond, AC E50k
Posts: 567
Could someone please check loads for BA93 (LHR-YYZ) on Feb 2, and BA98 (YYZ-LHR) on Feb 10th?
Many thanks in advance!
LondonCanuck
Many thanks in advance!
LondonCanuck
Jan 28, 2018, 11:00 am
#1079
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Londinium
Programs: BAEC Gold, BA Amex PP, Virgin Gold
Posts: 287
A request please, for Mon 29th Jan's LHR-OSL BA0766
Many thanks!
Many thanks!
Jan 28, 2018, 11:25 am
#1080
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: London
Programs: BAEC : GGL; HHonors : Diamond
Posts: 181
Sure, here they are:
BA857: J9 C7 D4 R6 I0 Y9 B9 H6 K3 M0 L0 V0 N0 Q0 O0 S0 G1
BA133: F9 A8 J9 C9 D9 R9 I0 W9 E9 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O0 G9
BA132: F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G9
