extra costs when upgrading using GUF 2

Old Jul 3, 2017, 12:32 am
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extra costs when upgrading using GUF 2

i am looking at flights for Xmas from KUL to MAN (via LHR) buying PE and upgrading to CW using a GUF2

The price without a GUF2 is 2230 (Booking into T and K Class) but when buying the upgrade together the price rises to 2790 , is this just extra Tax?

The booking is for 2 adults and 1 infant.

I know there is a difference but i wasn't aware it was that much
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 1:05 am
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I would try booking over the phone. I have never managed to get BA.com to price those GUF taxes & fees differentials correctly. Assuming the infant is in-lap, the total differential should be around 255, according to Matrix.

Premium Economy:

Fare for 2 adults
Fare 1: Carrier BA TNN0Y6C0 KUL to MAN (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code T, K
Covers KUL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-MAN (Economy)
302.99
Fare 2: Carrier BA TNN0Y6C0 MAN to KUL (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code K, T
Covers MAN-LHR (Economy), LHR-KUL (Premium economy)
302.99
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge Departures (UB)
59.51
BA YQ surcharge (YQ)
366.20
Malaysia Passenger Service And Security Charge (MY)
13.10
Malaysia Goods And Services Tax (D8)
0.80
United Kingdom Air Passenger Duty APD (GB)
150.00
Subtotal per passenger
1,195.61
Number of passengers
x2
Subtotal For 2 adults
2,391.22
Changes to this ticket will incur a penalty fee.
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
KUL BA X/LON BA MAN 395.50TNN0Y6C0 BA X/LON BA KUL 395.50TNN0Y6C0 NUC 791.00 END ROE 4.2648 XT 0.80D8 13.10MY 150.00GB 59.51UB 366.20YQ
Fare for 1 infant in lap
Fare 1: Carrier BA TNN0Y6C0 KUL to MAN (rules)
Passenger type INF, round trip fare, booking code T, K
Covers KUL-LHR (Premium economy), LHR-MAN (Economy)
30.29
Fare 2: Carrier BA TNN0Y6C0 MAN to KUL (rules)
Passenger type INF, round trip fare, booking code K, T
Covers MAN-LHR (Economy), LHR-KUL (Premium economy)
30.29
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge Departures (UB)
46.17
BA YQ surcharge (YQ)
43.20
Subtotal per passenger
150.37
Number of passengers
x1
Subtotal For 1 infant in lap
150.37
Changes to this ticket will incur a penalty fee.
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
KUL BA X/LON BA MAN 39.55TNN0Y6C0 BA X/LON BA KUL 39.55TNN0Y6C0 NUC 79.10 END ROE 4.2648 XT 46.17UB 43.20YQ
Total Airfare & Taxes
2,541.59

BUSINESS

Fare for 2 adults
Fare 1: Carrier BA INN7Y6A0 KUL to MAN (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code I, J
Covers KUL-LHR (Business), LHR-MAN (Business)
1,048.48
Fare 2: Carrier BA INN7Y6A0 MAN to KUL (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code J, I
Covers MAN-LHR (Business), LHR-KUL (Business)
1,048.48
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge Departures (UB)
69.73
BA YQ surcharge (YQ)
452.60
Malaysia Passenger Service And Security Charge (MY)
13.10
Malaysia Goods And Services Tax (D8)
0.80
United Kingdom Air Passenger Duty APD (GB)
176.00
Subtotal per passenger
2,809.23
Number of passengers
x2
Subtotal For 2 adults
5,618.46
Changes to this ticket will incur a penalty fee.
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
KUL BA X/LON BA MAN 1368.58INN7Y6A0 BA LON BA KUL 1368.58INN7Y6A0 NUC 2737.16 END ROE 4.2648 XT 0.80D8 13.10MY 176.00GB 69.73UB 452.60YQ
Fare for 1 infant in lap
Fare 1: Carrier BA INN7Y6A0 KUL to MAN (rules)
Passenger type INF, round trip fare, booking code I, J
Covers KUL-LHR (Business), LHR-MAN (Business)
104.85
Fare 2: Carrier BA INN7Y6A0 MAN to KUL (rules)
Passenger type INF, round trip fare, booking code J, I
Covers MAN-LHR (Business), LHR-KUL (Business)
104.85
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge Departures (UB)
56.39
BA YQ surcharge (YQ)
43.20
Subtotal per passenger
309.59
Number of passengers
x1
Subtotal For 1 infant in lap
309.59
Changes to this ticket will incur a penalty fee.
Fare Construction (can be useful to travel agents)
KUL BA X/LON BA MAN 136.86INN7Y6A0 BA LON BA KUL 136.86INN7Y6A0 NUC 273.72 END ROE 4.2648 XT 56.39UB 43.20YQ
Total Airfare & Taxes
5,928.05
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 1:20 am
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Originally Posted by walkingtall
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I know there is a difference but i wasn't aware it was that much
The difference is almost certainly not that much - as [MENTION=215674]flyingnomad[/MENTION] writes above the best thing to do is call up to book this - if necessary even booking the T/K fare first and then immediately applying the GUF upgrade voucher.

There have been quite a few reports in this forum about problems with pricing when trying to book a "book with money; upgrade with Avios (or GUF voucher)" - for WTP->CW - the wisdom seems to be that doing this the web-engine either doesn't find the lower-priced "T" fares, or forces the fare into a W-fare bucket.
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 1:28 am
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I have done this before, and even if I haven't ran your numbers, it doesn't sound completely out of line...

What you have to remember is that there will be some additional taxes for you and your companion, but also that the infant won't be covered using the GUF2, but rather will pay a cost of 10% of the cash ticket for CW (the class you are upgrading to), rather than PE...
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 2:45 am
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Originally Posted by LondonCanuck

... What you have to remember is that there will be some additional taxes for you and your companion, but also that the infant won't be covered using the GUF2, but rather will pay a cost of 10% of the cash ticket for CW (the class you are upgrading to), rather than PE...
Good point - using the numbers above in post#2 the actual differential looks to be 255 (taxes/surcharges) + (2*(100-30)) = 140 as the difference in infant fare).

That gives 395 GBP, so still a bit less than the 560 GBP mentioned in the original post, but maybe there is only a higher CW fare (for the infant) available on the dates in question.
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 3:37 am
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thanks for the replies , i forgot about the 10% being of the CW fare , so that i guess would be the extra 150

I will add up the rest and maybe call to do the upgrade with the GGL team , i did call previously as really i wanted the Jakarta connection , but they priced up as 4000 with the Y class fare from Jakarta.......
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 6:04 am
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the other reason could be that some new fares (dual inventory) can't be accessed over phone nor work with TA and even with ba.com upgrades.

I had a situation where the ticket I was looking at in WTP showed as 515 ish and there was UUA space but whenever I tried to book as 'book and upgrade using avios', it jumped to 1200 ish. I called and that's the only fare the agent could find.

so agent and I agreed that I should just book the 515 fare, then call back and UUA and it worked a treat.
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Old Jul 3, 2017, 6:14 am
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Originally Posted by chris1979
the other reason could be that some new fares (dual inventory) can't be accessed over phone nor work with TA and even with ba.com upgrades.

I had a situation where the ticket I was looking at in WTP showed as 515 ish and there was UUA space but whenever I tried to book as 'book and upgrade using avios', it jumped to 1200 ish. I called and that's the only fare the agent could find.

so agent and I agreed that I should just book the 515 fare, then call back and UUA and it worked a treat.
I believe DIF fares can now be booked over the phone with BA.
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Old Jul 6, 2017, 6:57 pm
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To add closure to this thread

I called GGL yesterday and spoke to a great guy called George , he was very proactive took the details of the flights and called me back 15 mins later in Indonesia

Booked KUL LHR-MAN PE upgraded using GUF2 to CW for 2350 for 2 adults and infant.

Thanks for the advice and great service from the guy at GGL
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