Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 28479011)
Wouldn't it be illegal for a PPL to operate a commercial flight?
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Originally Posted by Dan72
(Post 28478399)
I would be surprised if QR employed many (any!?) Qatari crew.
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Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 28479036)
See https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...t&sub_page=faq under "Is it legal?"
Bit concerning that "Is it legal" is a frequently-asked question :D |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 28479111)
^ ^
Bit concerning that "Is it legal" is a frequently-asked question :D |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 28479126)
I think whether it is legal or not would probably be the least of your worries ;)
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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 28479111)
^ ^
Bit concerning that "Is it legal" is a frequently-asked question :D The answers, and all the rest?...:eek: |
Some folk are getting really worked up into a lather over this.
Put aside whether Cruz should do a deal with the Union or not (I think its gone on long enough and neither side really know how to get themselves out of the mess, is my opinion). I'm pretty clear that I'd rather be on a QR A320 over something from say, the former Eastern Block or maybe even a Jet-Time type operator. BA want to avoid cancelling flights and carry as many customers as possible. Wet-Leasing QR aircraft is probably the best SH product equivalent that is available. If BA have been/are driving this, and not Walsh/QR, then their planning department or whoever it is that came up with this idea should be applauded for thinking outside the box and coming up with a creative solution. The aircraft will be safe, clean, probably have wifi etc and the crew will be courteous. |
Originally Posted by sharp5flat9
(Post 28479045)
I wouldn't, particularly on the flight deck..
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Cabin Crew are Filipino
Originally Posted by Dan72
(Post 28479362)
Yes, I'm sure. But I thought it was clear that we were talking about cabin crew in the chain I replied to. Perhaps there are some, but I would be surprised if there were many Qatari nationals working as cabin crew.
I suspect they are entitled to an air crew/transport workers visa......If not then most of them won't get visas on time and will end up paying something North of £400 for six months Tourist Visa! |
Originally Posted by Modo
(Post 28480213)
As with many of the Middle East airlines cabin crew are usually mostly Filipino - indeed Filipina.
I suspect they are entitled to an air crew/transport workers visa......If not then most of them won't get visas on time and will end up paying something North of £400 for six months Tourist Visa! In my experience only Saudia had a leaning towards Filipinas but that has changed in recent years as they have recruited more widely. There is no doubt in my mind that if QR needed to put together all-EU crews they could. |
Originally Posted by Modo
(Post 28480213)
As with many of the Middle East airlines cabin crew are usually mostly Filipino - indeed Filipina.
I suspect they are entitled to an air crew/transport workers visa......If not then most of them won't get visas on time and will end up paying something North of £400 for six months Tourist Visa! |
Technically correct on both counts
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 28480672)
They would not be allowed to work if they arrived on a visit visa (a U.K. Visit Visa is £89 by the way). The crew will not need a visa under this current proposal.
They can stay for 7 days if returning on the same plane or on another flight to leave. CRM02 2.4 Whether the EU is going to be happy if the 7 days is used up or extended by non EU nationals repeatedly crewing flights in and out of The UK within Europe is likely to lead to some "deliberation". The comment on the UK visit visa was admittedly OT and flippant. The headline cost of applying for a UK visit visa by many Asian Nationals is technically fixed in UK£, despite the collapse in value of the £. The application offers a decision within 30 days - not guaranteed. A decision within 7 days requires a massively higher fee. As I said OT and "probably" not pertinent but the system and reportable/reported KPI's are currently subject of some political questioning. |
Originally Posted by Modo
(Post 28480760)
They can stay for 7 days if returning on the same plane or on another flight to leave. CRM02 2.4
Whether the EU is going to be happy if the 7 days is used up or extended by non EU nationals repeatedly crewing flights in and out of The UK within Europe is likely to lead to some "deliberation". The comment on the UK visit visa was admittedly OT and flippant. The headline cost of applying for a UK visit visa by many Asian Nationals is technically fixed in UK£, despite the collapse in value of the £. The application offers a decision within 30 days - not guaranteed. A decision within 7 days requires a massively higher fee. As I said OT and "probably" not pertinent but the system and reportable/reported KPI's are currently subject of some political questioning. Anyone arriving in the UK on a visitor visa is prohibited absolutely from undertaking any kind of work or employment. |
I bow out - not interested in an FT spat
Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
(Post 28480817)
nnot technically correct, but legally correct. .
As my father used to advise "these companies and unions have their own overly paid legal advisors this is not your job - you only have the chance to lose for no recompense." But I do have an interest as family and friends are crew on QR. As I said; Whether the EU is going to be happy if the 7 days is used up or extended by non EU nationals repeatedly crewing flights in and out of The UK within Europe is likely to lead to some "deliberation". Mixed Fleet Crew replacement flights are going to be mostly intra-EU flights? That is a genuine question. Exceptional, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights. |
Originally Posted by Modo
(Post 28481103)
I bow out - I didn't realise the Court of Appeal had ruled already.
As my father used to advise "these companies and unions have their own overly paid legal advisors this is not your job - you only have the chance to lose for no recompense." But I do have an interest as family and friends are crew on QR. As I said; Whether the EU is going to be happy if the 7 days is used up or extended by non EU nationals repeatedly crewing flights in and out of The UK within Europe is likely to lead to some "deliberation". Mixed Fleet Crew replacement flights are going to be mostly intra-EU flights? That is a genuine question. Exceptional, Minimum Wage, Employment Rights. |
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