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Old May 27, 2017, 8:25 am
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All IT systems are back up and running and BA are operating normal flight schedules.

PLEASE ASK ALL COMPENSATION RELATED QUESTIONS IN THE DEDICATED TOPIC: The 2017 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation 261/2004. The full list of cancelled and delayed flights for Sunday is to be found here, though note that it is the arrival time that matters for delays.

Successful (or otherwise) reports for claims where the information would be of use to others would, however, be very welcome in this thread.

Monday flight cancellations for LHR listed here. Services to and from LGW, LCY and STN seem to be working more or less on time.. Telephone numbers for rebooking are in this post, note also the difference between what contact centres and airport staff can do, noted here.

Updated 29/05/2017 22:50 (UK time) Link to BA updates: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...VINF4more_news

Baggage
There are a significant number of bags at Heathrow which we will be reuniting with customers via couriers as soon as we can. This will be done free of charge. Please help us to get these to you as quickly as possible by ensuring we have your latest contact details by filing a delayed bag report.



If your journey was disrupted -
Because of the scale of the disruption, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers. BA have a duty of care under EU Regulation 261/2004 and according to this letter handed out at Gatwick the following costs would usually be claimable from BA.
  • £25 for reasonable meal/refeshment expenses (per adult per day)
  • 2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required
  • £200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
  • £50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.

Claiming expenses incurred during the disruption
https://disruptionclaim.britishairways.com/

Historic update as of 18:55 on Saturday

All BA flights from LHR and LGW are cancelled for the remainder of the day (Saturday 27th May). This is due to a major systems outage of most of BA's computer systems. The original cause of the outage was a power failure from which BA has found it difficult to recover.

Because Call Centre systems are also down, and their own web pages may be affected, BA is encouraging affected customer to seek updates via BA Twitter feed and Facebook page.

Alex Cruz has indicated that those passengers who no longer wish to fly with BA on their booking for today will be "fast tracked" for refunds. However, no mechanism for this has yet been communicated (7pm Saturday). Again affected customers are asked to follow the relevant Twitter and Facebook communication channels.

There are reportedly long delays leaving the airport with some customers claiming delays of many hours.
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Old May 27, 2017, 3:56 am
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I wouldn't bother arriving early - you'll just find people with "nearer" arrives times sent in front of you in the queue and not make any forward progress.

The people I was with missed their flight despite arriving 3 hours early.
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Old May 27, 2017, 3:57 am
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Old May 27, 2017, 3:58 am
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Tried to check in on the app for a flight tomorrow and it consistently said 'our systems are very busy' - then the BBC alert flashed up, and then I came here to check what was really going on! Hopefully it will be sorted by tomorrow!
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:00 am
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A woman was walking up the queue for the first desks just now possibly looking for earlier flights.

Don't think most people know what's going on. There's not exactly a lot of info and the screens pretty much show flights with a few differing times.
The woman and her kids behind me had no idea of FLY and why the queues were so long.
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:02 am
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Originally Posted by LondonAndy
Tried to check in on the app for a flight tomorrow and it consistently said 'our systems are very busy' - then the BBC alert flashed up, and then I came here to check what was really going on! Hopefully it will be sorted by tomorrow!
I appreciate the unrelenting trust you have in the FT folks
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:03 am
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EU261 at the ready...
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:03 am
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Originally Posted by andrewdrinks
Lightning strike on the FLY data centre (?) according to our FO on BA417.
If that is the case, then BA has some seriously bad infrastructure. A lightning strike should do nothing to a modern data centre. And even if it did, there should be a hot standby to seamlessly take over from another location.

Then again, it is BA, they probably found a provider doing it for 49 pence less operating out of a garden shed.
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:05 am
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I just had a flight to LUX this morning(5:50-7:30am), the airport was operated as usual. Got surprised when I saw the BBC top page.
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:05 am
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This is the lead story on the BBC News Channel. Saying it is a 'technology' issue but they cannot get any further information at this point from BA.

I'm still getting a 404 error on ba.com.
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by sschwenk
If that is the case, then BA has some seriously bad infrastructure. A lightning strike should do nothing to a modern data centre. And even if it did, there should be a hot standby to seamlessly take over from another location.

Then again, it is BA, they probably found a provider doing it for 49 pence less operating out of a garden shed.
The IT system in my garden shed is rather robust. UPSs, redundancy in backups, backups of backups, redundant fibre connections, dual aircon systems, etc...

Not rocket science. Perhaps I should bid when the next tender comes up...
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:07 am
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Well 185 has boarded, F/O has just advised that they're awaiting the weight/balance info for the a/c, which is due in "around 30 minutes" - assume that it's being printed and brought by hand rather than electronically.
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:07 am
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Ugh, just saw this on the BBC. Was hoping that it might have worked itself out by the time we head off to DXB at 22.20 tonight, but what I'm hearing here doesn't fill me with confidence.

And if it is a lightning strike, I'm guessing we wouldn't even get the silver lining of EU261
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:10 am
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Just got out paperwork through so the 0940 to Nice should be going soon. Hope everyone gets off the ground today too
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by ratechaser
... And if it is a lightning strike, I'm guessing we wouldn't even get the silver lining of EU261
That's pure speculation at the moment, all kinds of rumours going around about the underlying cause including a hack and a system update going wrong. But yes, you raise an interesting point about EC261 and weather!

Let's hope they get to the bottom of it ASAP. Any delays today will have a knock on effect for quite a few days.
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Old May 27, 2017, 4:16 am
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Passengers on BA343 (NCE-LHR) being bussed to the aircraft - previously the gate staff knew nothing and weren't sure what to do.

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