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Old May 27, 2017, 8:25 am
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All IT systems are back up and running and BA are operating normal flight schedules.

PLEASE ASK ALL COMPENSATION RELATED QUESTIONS IN THE DEDICATED TOPIC: The 2017 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation 261/2004. The full list of cancelled and delayed flights for Sunday is to be found here, though note that it is the arrival time that matters for delays.

Successful (or otherwise) reports for claims where the information would be of use to others would, however, be very welcome in this thread.

Monday flight cancellations for LHR listed here. Services to and from LGW, LCY and STN seem to be working more or less on time.. Telephone numbers for rebooking are in this post, note also the difference between what contact centres and airport staff can do, noted here.

Updated 29/05/2017 22:50 (UK time) Link to BA updates: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...VINF4more_news

Baggage
There are a significant number of bags at Heathrow which we will be reuniting with customers via couriers as soon as we can. This will be done free of charge. Please help us to get these to you as quickly as possible by ensuring we have your latest contact details by filing a delayed bag report.



If your journey was disrupted -
Because of the scale of the disruption, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers. BA have a duty of care under EU Regulation 261/2004 and according to this letter handed out at Gatwick the following costs would usually be claimable from BA.
  • £25 for reasonable meal/refeshment expenses (per adult per day)
  • 2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required
  • £200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
  • £50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.

Claiming expenses incurred during the disruption
https://disruptionclaim.britishairways.com/

Historic update as of 18:55 on Saturday

All BA flights from LHR and LGW are cancelled for the remainder of the day (Saturday 27th May). This is due to a major systems outage of most of BA's computer systems. The original cause of the outage was a power failure from which BA has found it difficult to recover.

Because Call Centre systems are also down, and their own web pages may be affected, BA is encouraging affected customer to seek updates via BA Twitter feed and Facebook page.

Alex Cruz has indicated that those passengers who no longer wish to fly with BA on their booking for today will be "fast tracked" for refunds. However, no mechanism for this has yet been communicated (7pm Saturday). Again affected customers are asked to follow the relevant Twitter and Facebook communication channels.

There are reportedly long delays leaving the airport with some customers claiming delays of many hours.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by Takiteasy
So if a couple of thousand pax retained against their will at departures level attempted to force their way down one level to arrivals and clear the border legally, are you saying they would shoot them? Oh please!
The OP's suggestion was backtracking to Security and "leaving the way came (in)", doing so, without clearing Immigration, would be a breach of a Restricted Area. I certainly haven't suggested shooting anyone, only that the airport police are there to enforce the regulations.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:07 am
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Amen. I'd be landslide or in a cell by now.
At least if you're arrested they have to feed you...
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:08 am
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Heading home now from Gatwick... in short pretty abysmal service from BA. After the flights were cancelled, we were told to leave the lounge and go to gate 14 for deboarding, go to the ticketing desk at the departure/check in area. Once we got our luggage from the baggage reclaim and got to the check in area and the ticketing desk was closed... plenty of staff but no clear amswers.

No help for in accompanied minors which was really stressful as you can imagine. I called the good line and asked them to rebook me on an AA fight out if Heathrow and apparently they cannot do that.. it has to be a BA flight which doesn't leave till Monday so half of my holiday is wasted... can I book with AA and claim the difference as the flights are really expensive now?
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:08 am
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Just noticed on FR that BA193 has departed LHR about 30 minutes​ ago to Dallas albeit with a 5 1/2 delay.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:08 am
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Checked-in....

I received the scheduled email reminding me to check into my LHR-AMS flight tomorrow, so followed the link and it allowed me to check in - unlike the app. Requested an emailed boarding pass, but it has not arrived. One wonders what the airport will be like tomorrow morning! My flight is at 1pm, but I don't hold much hope, glad at least that I am not stuck in the airport not even allowed to leave like many at the moment it seems.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by BillyBleach
You won't be getting any EU261 compensation as this clearly falls under "exception circumstances" and thus ineligible for compensation. You might get a refund on the flight...might.
Clearly? Really? I'm sure they will claim it's an exceptional circumstance, but then don't they always.

I think the compo aspect needs its own thread, but my own 2 cents is that I will be screwing them down for every penny I can get over this debacle. In court if needed.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:08 am
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Originally Posted by jeremyBA
So I don't think ba can blame a lightening strike
BA can blame whatever they want, including a lightning strike. But whether that is the root cause or not is another matter.
Originally Posted by BillyBleach
You won't be getting any EU261 compensation as this clearly falls under "exception circumstances" and thus ineligible for compensation. You might get a refund on the flight...might.
Since when does IT systems failure fall under "exception circumstances"?
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:08 am
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Finally 2 staff have turned up at gate 18.
Now a long queue for passport control.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:09 am
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If FR24 is accurate, both PVG and DEL arrivals are now on the southern apron, probably near the cargo stands.

BA6 has landed from NRT and has vacated 27L to the south, now probably awaiting an empty stand/gate.

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Old May 27, 2017, 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by ratechaser
Clearly? Really? I'm sure they will claim it's an exceptional circumstance, but then don't they always.

I think the compo aspect needs its own thread, but my own 2 cents is that I will be screwing them down for every penny I can get over this debacle. In court if needed.
It has: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...61-2004-a.html
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:09 am
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My app is now showing my AUH departure at 12.40 as closed....but is also showing it arriving at 00.24 local, which would be about 2 hours late. Did they send an airframe down after all that?
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:10 am
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Zero sympathy for BA. Heart goes out to people waiting all day in queues to find holidays and special trips cancelled/ruined. If I was there I'd just go back to the lounge and wait until the very end
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by BillyBleach View Post
You won't be getting any EU261 compensation as this clearly falls under "exception circumstances" and thus ineligible for compensation. You might get a refund on the flight...might.

Nonsense.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:12 am
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It's a long weekend in the US and sometimes the start of school vacation. That means Americans taking family trips to/via LHR. Must be pretty awful to be detained in T5 with exhausted little kids and no stroller (since BA in the US has become increasingly hostile to LHR gate delivery of strollers).

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Old May 27, 2017, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by techie
BA can blame whatever they want, including a lightning strike. But whether that is the root cause or not is another matter.

Since when does IT systems failure fall under "exception circumstances"?
It depends on the actual cause as to being exceptional or not.

Speculation on whether EU261 applies or not is just that - speculation and is unhelpful until the cause is known.
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