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Old May 27, 2017, 8:25 am
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All IT systems are back up and running and BA are operating normal flight schedules.

PLEASE ASK ALL COMPENSATION RELATED QUESTIONS IN THE DEDICATED TOPIC: The 2017 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation 261/2004. The full list of cancelled and delayed flights for Sunday is to be found here, though note that it is the arrival time that matters for delays.

Successful (or otherwise) reports for claims where the information would be of use to others would, however, be very welcome in this thread.

Monday flight cancellations for LHR listed here. Services to and from LGW, LCY and STN seem to be working more or less on time.. Telephone numbers for rebooking are in this post, note also the difference between what contact centres and airport staff can do, noted here.

Updated 29/05/2017 22:50 (UK time) Link to BA updates: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...VINF4more_news

Baggage
There are a significant number of bags at Heathrow which we will be reuniting with customers via couriers as soon as we can. This will be done free of charge. Please help us to get these to you as quickly as possible by ensuring we have your latest contact details by filing a delayed bag report.



If your journey was disrupted -
Because of the scale of the disruption, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers. BA have a duty of care under EU Regulation 261/2004 and according to this letter handed out at Gatwick the following costs would usually be claimable from BA.
  • £25 for reasonable meal/refeshment expenses (per adult per day)
  • 2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required
  • £200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
  • £50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.

Claiming expenses incurred during the disruption
https://disruptionclaim.britishairways.com/

Historic update as of 18:55 on Saturday

All BA flights from LHR and LGW are cancelled for the remainder of the day (Saturday 27th May). This is due to a major systems outage of most of BA's computer systems. The original cause of the outage was a power failure from which BA has found it difficult to recover.

Because Call Centre systems are also down, and their own web pages may be affected, BA is encouraging affected customer to seek updates via BA Twitter feed and Facebook page.

Alex Cruz has indicated that those passengers who no longer wish to fly with BA on their booking for today will be "fast tracked" for refunds. However, no mechanism for this has yet been communicated (7pm Saturday). Again affected customers are asked to follow the relevant Twitter and Facebook communication channels.

There are reportedly long delays leaving the airport with some customers claiming delays of many hours.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:01 am
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My wife is booked on the 19:20 LHR-VIE this evening. It would seem crazy for her to go to the airport now, given the crowds (OK, it's T3 so not as bad as T5); if the flight's cancelled then she'll get a refund, but what if BA decides to send it out 4 or 5 hours late? Would she get rejected by conformance unless she goes through security at 19:20 minus 35 minutes? I'm assuming that it won't go out on time...
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by Howard Long
Thanks, looks like the 7 is cancelled. Tomorrow will be a fun day! JL showing F0 but ANA has F5, hopefully they'll be able to shift me but it's an award ticket so I don't know what happens in that case.
I think it might be optimistic to think that BA would put you in F on the NH flight - might be worth considering other options to request (J on the JL flight and a partial mileage refund?) if that doesn't work also.

There will likely be paid F passengers to re-accommodate also.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:02 am
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***Data Point*** (wiki perhaps?)

PFO - LGW BA2677 cancelled due to incoming aircraft being cancelled. Given EU261 information & given option to make own way home & expense or go back to hotel & try to get on tomorrow's BA2675.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:02 am
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So am I to assume my 20:45 from Montpellier won't be operating tonight then?
The LHR - MPL outbound was due to depart at 17:00.
EDIT: MPL airport departures now showing my flight as cancelled
I take it I should try to make my own alternative arrangements as I need to be back in London by 12 noon tomorrow at the very latest?

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Old May 27, 2017, 9:02 am
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My brother is on BA253 to Moscow and after boarding an hour ago they are pushing back now from a B gate at T5 - scheduled departure was 10:55. Hopefully something is going to leave LHR soon wearing a BA livery
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by BAAZ
My wife is booked on the 19:20 LHR-VIE this evening. It would seem crazy for her to go to the airport now, given the crowds (OK, it's T3 so not as bad as T5); if the flight's cancelled then she'll get a refund, but what if BA decides to send it out 4 or 5 hours late? Would she get rejected by conformance unless she goes through security at 19:20 minus 35 minutes? I'm assuming that it won't go out on time...
There is no conformance at T3.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:03 am
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For those that are airside, has everyone been kicked out of the lounges or are they still packed? Any pics/videos would be great.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:05 am
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I have been told different things depending on who I speak to... my flight from LGW-CUN has been cancelled and I have been told to rebook with another airline but book a return as my return might not be protected... But I have no way for knowing if that's true... what would happen if I book a return? Will I get the money back from BA? Any advice would be appreciated... thanks.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:05 am
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looks like a whole load of empty positioners will fly out later to reduce the knock on effect tonight. Stands being freed up shortly to allow inbounds to finally off load.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by drb1979
Seems like a widespread core IT infrastructure issue. Rather than anything to do with FLY. This is just the sort of thing that is outsourced, likely a change gone wrong.

Bigger question is - Will Heathrow allow BA to break the curfew tonight to move passengers?

Flights are of course restricted between 2330 and 0600 does this qualify as "extraordinary" to allow BA to break the curfew?

The impact on passengers would be lessened, but the other side is why should residents in London have to suffer noise throughout the night because BA cant keep its IT up & running?
Not sure BA would have the required number of crew available to send out flights during curfew hours.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by henkybaby
For those interested on the case study for the BA data centres (limited scope): https://cdn1.ait-pg.co.uk/wp-content...Case_Study.pdf and here: https://www.ait-pg.co.uk/our-work/british-airways/
Interesting. So they appear to have put all their eggs in one basket - there doesn't appear to be a site beyond the 2 Heathrow datacentres? Perhaps they ought to have based one of them at Gatwick so that there would have been some redundancy (assuming it's a hardware/power supply fault). Or moved systems like e-mail/intranet/extranet to an external cloud based provider so that at least everything wouldn't go down following an internal systems failure.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by Fontana
For those that are airside, has everyone been kicked out of the lounges or are they still packed? Any pics/videos would be great.
we got kicked out of the lounge at Gatwick as been told to go landslide via immigration as flight is cancelled but outside no one has any idea what to do...
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:06 am
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Im in SEA today and flying (in theory) to LHR on the 19:15 tonight (BA 48) - is there anyway to know what inbound flight im dependant on so I can see if I have any chance of making it back tonight?
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:07 am
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departed:
(all flights scheduled before 9:25)
BA 728 (GVA), 9:25/10:51
BA 484 (BCN), 9:35/11:02
BA 291 (PHX), 9:40/10:41
BA 217 (IAD), 9:40/11:33
BA 1468 (INV), 9:50/11:27
BA 862 (PRG), 9:50/11:11
BA 283 (LAX), 9:50/12:23
BA 814 (CPH), 9:55/12:59
BA 1476 (GLA), 9:55/11:24
BA 700 (VIE), 10:05/14:15
BA 1386 (MAN), 10:05/11:54
BA 658 (ZTH), 10:15/12:16
BA 139 (BOM), 10:15/12:35
BA 143 (DEL), 10:25/13:36
BA 962 (HAM), 10:25/13:15
BA 834 (DUB), 10:35/12:34
BA 185 (EWR), 10:35/12:34
BA 514 (MAD), 10:40/12:03
BA 308 (CDG), 10:45/13:07
BA 938 (DUS), 10:45/12:29
BA 992 (TXL), 10:50/13:46
BA 454 (AGP), 11:10/13:53
BA 213 (BOS), 11:15/14:26

Not departed:
BA 712 (ZRH), 9:25
BA 346 (NCE), 9:40
BA 876 (IST), 10:20
BA 65 (NBO), 10:30
BA 492 (GIB), 10:40
BA 207 (MIA), 10:40
BA 546 (FCO), 10:45
BA 474 (BCN), 10:50
BA 235 (DMW), 10:55
BA 904 (FRA), 11:00
BA 652 (JTR), 11:05
BA 644 (KLX), 11:15
BA 452 (IBZ), 11:15
(all flights scheduled after 11:15)
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:09 am
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Originally Posted by moral_low_ground
If I were you I'd cancel and get a full refund. I just landed into DXB last night; It's the start of Ramadan today, is just hitting 40 degrees with lots of humidity so why on earth would you want to come here for a holiday ??????

Devon would be Heaven and they will be begging you to go there by tomorrow afternoon!
I have to confess, this is not a cultural experience... it's a week in the pool at Atlantis. We have been there before during Ramadan, and whilst I am respectful of cultural norms, within the hotel it really has very little impact.

40 degrees, pah! It was 47 last time we were there
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