BA offloads couple at Portuguese military base over business class row [LGW-KIN]
Apr 27, 2017, 9:21 am
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Apr 27, 2017, 9:23 am
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If you had bothered to read my summary of the law relating to captains authority you would realise that your comments are incorrect and wholly irrelevant. Even if that were not the case, you do not have all the information given to the captain or what factors played in his or her decision to divert, nor what satcom conversations were held with BA management. So maybe, you know, you are talking BS.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:24 am
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Apr 27, 2017, 9:28 am
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I'm sorry, but I really don't think I can explain it any more clearly. The decision to divert rather than continue to destination would have been based on a number of factors, as many others have also very eruditely outlined. One of those factors would have been the risk to other passengers. Another would have been the health impacts to the miscreant. It really seems very straightforward to me.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:40 am
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It is an odd thing that you felt, from the extremely limited information available that you were able to say that BA screwed up, yet then get upset when you feel you have not been shown respect? A more reasoned and reasonable action would have been to accept that you did not have sufficient information to make a rational judgement. As your opinion obviously differs not only from mine but also those who were on the spot with ALL the relevant information perhaps that does entitle me to say you are talking BS, that by the way was not an insult it was a comment on the quality of your posting, it was almost identical to the way you described how BA had acted when they, in your opinion, screwed up. If you feel insulted I suspect it has more to do with the fact that you feel your analysis was at best weak, and you know it.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:44 am
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It is an odd thing that you felt, from the extremely limited information available that you were able to say that BA screwed up, yet then get upset when you feel you have not been shown respect? A more reasoned and reasonable action would have been to accept that you did not have sufficient information to make a rational judgement. As your opinion obviously differs not only from mine but also those who were on the spot with ALL the relevant information perhaps that does entitle me to say you are talking BS, that by the way was not an insult it was a comment on the quality of your posting, it was almost identical to the way you described how BA had acted when they, in your opinion, screwed up. If you feel insulted I suspect it has more to do with the fact that you feel your analysis was at best weak, and you know it.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:46 am
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Whilst the Pilot's decision is Final, especially when there is anything to do with Safety concerned, I imagine that for a decision such as this, a call would have been made to BA HQ to let them know what her/his decision was.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:50 am
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Folks, for the sake of peace, harmony and sensible discussion perhaps we might concentrate on the core subject rather than engage in a meta discussion between a handful of posters? Thanks.
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Apr 27, 2017, 9:54 am
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There are undoubtedly many, and some valid, views on this unfortunate incident. I have mine, some have others, which is the way of the World. However, lets all please be nice, eh?
No doubt more credible information will leak into the Media in due course. In the interim, I'm personally comfortable with the concept that the Crew (FD and CC) were unlikely to taken the actions they did unless there was significant justification.
If I am proven wrong, I shall abase myself before a Horse Lamp at LHR, or some lesser penance as the mood takes me at the time.
No doubt more credible information will leak into the Media in due course. In the interim, I'm personally comfortable with the concept that the Crew (FD and CC) were unlikely to taken the actions they did unless there was significant justification.
If I am proven wrong, I shall abase myself before a Horse Lamp at LHR, or some lesser penance as the mood takes me at the time.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:54 am
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That was my thought too. Indeed I wouldn't be surprised if "United" came up in that call - and it was decided that diverting was the least worst option.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:55 am
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Actually what ever transpired the guy was wrong. He was in a 14 hour flight with diabetes and cancer and after one hour in health distress? Poor judgement on his part as to his air-worthiness to fly.
Apr 27, 2017, 9:58 am
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As to his health , I will wait for a post-event medical report (unless anyone here has access to his medical records)
Apr 27, 2017, 10:13 am
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Even though I am sure it made many passengers very unhappy to divert then head back to LGW I would trust a BA Captain of making the right decision in the circumstances with the information he or she had available at that time.
I am sure it would have been a very last resort to divert, land, have the passenger removed then head back to the UK.
BA have stated he repeatedly refused to move, verbally abused staff and that is crossing the line as no staff deserve to be verbally abused when they are at their work and on a 777 at 35,000 feet isn't the place to kick off. What went on in the plane no one knows yet other than those who were there or have knowledge of it in other ways.
BA can get things wrong at times but in this specific incident I would 100% put my trust in the decisions of the Captain/flight deck and the *CSD/CSM.
*whichever is correct
I am sure it would have been a very last resort to divert, land, have the passenger removed then head back to the UK.
BA have stated he repeatedly refused to move, verbally abused staff and that is crossing the line as no staff deserve to be verbally abused when they are at their work and on a 777 at 35,000 feet isn't the place to kick off. What went on in the plane no one knows yet other than those who were there or have knowledge of it in other ways.
BA can get things wrong at times but in this specific incident I would 100% put my trust in the decisions of the Captain/flight deck and the *CSD/CSM.
*whichever is correct
Apr 27, 2017, 10:26 am
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My guess is once he started playing the age/illness cards, they were so terrified of being sued if they left him in the restraints, they decided to get him off their hands quick smart, in the most super-cautious way possible.
Azores to Jamaica is what, 5 hours?
Imagine:
"Frail, helpless, elderly* man tied up for hours. Hospitalised on arrival."
That's what, 500 grand with the right ambulance chaser? Maybe they were mindful of the recent UA debacle.
* Try using these words to my 69-year-old mother! Good luck!
Azores to Jamaica is what, 5 hours?
Imagine:
"Frail, helpless, elderly* man tied up for hours. Hospitalised on arrival."
That's what, 500 grand with the right ambulance chaser? Maybe they were mindful of the recent UA debacle.
* Try using these words to my 69-year-old mother! Good luck!
Apr 27, 2017, 10:39 am
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Left by boat, but not as shown above.
