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Summary

The British Airways American Express Companion Voucher entitles you to receive a second seat for a companion on the same flight as you and in the same cabin when you make a reward booking on a British Airways mainline flight with a BA prefixed flight number (but not on flights operated by franchisee, codeshare or alliance airlines). All youíll have to pay is the taxes, fees and charges for you and your companionís tickets.

The voucher is easy and straightforward to use. You as the cardholder may book a redemption ticket, paid for entirely in Avios, and you take a travel companion with you at no additional Avios cost. The usual taxes, fees and surcharges apply to both passengers, which must be paid for by the card holder.

Standard Voucher Terms and Conditions
  • The voucher is valid for travel on BA operated flights with BA prefix only
  • Valid towards return flights only, with the journey originating from and returning to your country of membership (with the exception of vouchers issued in the UK which may also be used for one-way travel)
  • Taxes, fees and surcharges apply to both the companion and the travelling Cardmember. The card holder will pay the cash supplement assessed for themselves and all others in the booking, using the credit card associated with the voucher
  • For Premium Plus Cardmembers who have two or more valid vouchers in their account, combining two vouchers within a single booking is permitted, subject to redemption availability. This allows the travelling Cardmember to take three travel companions, paying the Avios price for two passengers. Taxes, fees and charges must be paid for all four passengers. A maximum of two vouchers can be used towards any single booking
  • The Cardmember can travel without the companion, however the companion cannot travel without the Cardmember
  • The Cardmember cannot cancel the companionís ticket to get the companion voucher back and still fly. In order to get the voucher back, the whole booking must be cancelled and re-booked for yourself, provided there is redemption availability
  • Cancelling a redemption booking does not guarantee the seat(s) will be released back into the award inventory
  • If the booking is cancelled at least 24 hours before the first flight, the Avios, taxes and fees will be refunded, plus the companion voucher. Generally the voucher and Avios will be refunded quite quickly, with the monetary components taking a few days longer. A cancellation fee will apply unless you are a BAEC GGL card holder
  • Tickets booked by phone need to be booked at least 48 hours in advance
  • Cardmembers must have accrued the Target within a 12-month period ending each year on the anniversary of their Promotion Commencement Date. Spend from the previous anniversary year will not be carried over
  • Spend towards the Voucher must be charged to the account before the anniversary date. Any spend on the Card made before the anniversary date but not charged to the account until after the anniversary date will not be counted
  • Companion Vouchers cannot be used in conjunction with any other promotion (This is the formal line, but in reality it can be used with GUF2 and Jokers)
  • If you (as the Cardmember who earned the Companion Voucher) are part of a BA Household Account, then both you and your companion must be members of the Household Account, or be on the 'Friends and Family' list that is attached to it
  • One Companion Voucher per main Cardmember per year

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: What is the British Airways American Express Companion Voucher?
A: The British Airways American Express Companion Voucher entitles you to receive a second seat for a companion on the same flight as you and in the same cabin when you make a reward booking on a British Airways mainline flight with a BA prefixed flight number (but not on flights operated by franchisee, codeshare or alliance airlines). All youíll have to pay is the taxes, fees and charges for you and your companionís tickets.

Q: How do I qualify for the British Airways American Express Companion Voucher?
A: To qualify for your British Airways American Express Companion Voucher, you must reach the required spend threshold for your card, as shown below, within a 12-month period ending on the anniversary of the date of issue of your BA/AMEX Card. Please note that required spend does not include cash withdrawals, interest, balance transfers and fees.
  • Classic: £20,000
  • Premium Plus: £10,000
Once you have reached the required spend threshold for your Card, you will automatically be sent your British Airways American Express Companion Voucher. Please note you are only entitled to one Companion Voucher per 12-month period, and required spend collected in one 12-month period cannot be carried over into the next 12-month period.

Q: Iíve hit my spend. When will the voucher show up?
A: Once you hit the target, you will receive an email congratulating you on the award of your voucher. It will show up quite prominently on your BAEC account home page after logging in. American Express directly states once a Card Member qualifies, we compile a list of eligible Card Members (monthly) and send it to British Airways (can take 3-5 days). British Airways advises the Card Member of their e-voucher / Companion Ticket via mail within 10-15 days.

The e-voucher / Companion Ticket shows online for a period of time to redeem, when the Card Member logs onto their Executive Club (Avios) account at ba.com.




Q: How long is the voucher valid for?
A: When the voucher is earned following a £10,000 spend on the BA Premium Plus American Express card, the voucher is valid for 24 months. When the voucher is earned following a £20,000 spend on the BA Classic American Express card, it is valid for 12 months. You must have booked and completed the whole of your outbound travel by the date the voucherís validity expires, and it cannot be extended under any circumstances. The longer validity of the Premium Plus voucher is often cited as a very good reason to pay the £195 card fee.

Q:How do I get the most value from my voucher?
A: There is potential for you to save a substantial amount of Avios using the voucher, but its value to you is something only you can define. But in short, using the voucher for redemptions in First or Club World will maximise its value, as these naturally incur the highest redemption spend and will therefore save you the most Avios.

Q: Can I use the voucher and part-pay with Avios?
A: The ticket itself must be paid for entirely with Avios. Taxes, surcharges and fees (the "cash component" of the ticket composed of these fees, which are charged on standard redemptions in any event) must be paid for using an American Express card, although not necessarily a British Airways one (this is stated in the Terms and Conditions, but any Amex works)

Q: How do I pay the taxes, surcharges and fees?
A: An American Express card must be used to settle the taxes, surcharges and fees for both passengers. The Terms and Conditions state you must use the same American Express card that the voucher was earned on to settle this payment, but in practice any American Express card can be used. You may not use a Visa, MasterCard or other payment form to settle these fees.

Q: Can I book an open-jaw trip using the voucher?
A: You can, but you will need to call BA. For the trip to be valid, the length of the surface sector must be shorter than either of the flown journeys. If you want to fly from LHR to AAA and from BBB back to LHR, then the LHR-AAA and BBB-LHR distances must both be greater than the distance between AAA and BBB.

Q: Can I book my outbound flight at 355 days and call back to add the return booking?
A: Yes, but you will need to call BA. Once availability shows, you can call to add the return leg Ė the BA policy is to waive the £35 change fee per passenger if the return was beyond the booking window when you booked the outbound, i.e. that you booked your outbound leg when seats became available at T-355.

For example: If you booked your outbound at T-355 and called later to add the return leg the change fee would be waived. If you booked your outbound at T-50 and then booked the return for T-60 a few days later, the fee will not be waived.
Important update, posted by cbagent on 12 Feb 2018:

If adding the return sector to an existing one-way Amex 241 where the inbound dates were out of range at time of booking, it is now possible to book the flights online as a new one way Avios booking then call BA UK office when open.

Half of the Avios on this new booking will then be refunded to reflect Amex voucher use. The benefit of this is that there is no need to try calling open BA office in the early hours of the morning and the downside is the itinerary will be ticketed as two one way bookings. In addition the Avios balance must be high enough to take a debit of double the required Avios albeit for a relatively short time. May be of use for some people.
Note: you are strongly advised not to use this new method of booking two separate one ways if going to the US/Canada. When booking as two separate bookings and having the 2-4-1 applied across both is that taxes/charges/fees are not recalculated when the voucher is applied across to the second booking. Sometimes this will work out well for you (bookings exHKG for example), but for exUS or exCA bookings it is not recommended at all since exUS/CA taxes/fees/charges are very high. As an example, using the two separate bookings method on a LHR-JFK booking in J or F for two people would cost you about £480 more that the old method of calling and adding the inbound to an existing booking. Please see post 965 here for more information.
Q: As redemption seats are released at midnight GMT, what is the best way to secure them? There is no guarantee they will be available when the BA office opens in the morning!
A: A common practice on the forum is to use this tool and call a BA office that is open at midnight GMT. You will then be able to make the booking without waiting for your local office to open. Depending on timezone, Japan, Hong Kong and even the USA are frequently contacted for this purpose.

Q: I made a one-way booking using a voucher and have already completed the travel on that booking. Can I now add an inbound flight to the booking to make use of the voucher?
A: No.

Q: Does cancelling my BA American Express card mean I will lose the voucher? Does downgrading my BA American Express Premium Plus card to the Classic card mean I will lose my voucher?
A: No. Contrary to what American Express will tell you, you will keep the voucher if you cancel the card entirely, and similarly your voucher will retain its two year validity if you downgrade from the Premium Plus card to the Classic Card. Remember though that you will need to pay the taxes and fees on an American Express card, so it may be worth asking to downgrade the Premium Plus to the Classic card for this purpose if you donít hold another Amex.

Q: If I cancel my 2-4-1 booking, will I get the voucher back?
A: Yes, the voucher will appear in your BAEC some time after cancellation along with your Avios. The voucher will retain the same expiry date.

Q: If I cancel my BA Amex after making a 2-4-1 booking, and later cancel the booking, will I get the voucher back?
A: Collective forum experience would lend us to believe that in this situation you would receive the voucher back, as the voucher is credited to your BAEC account and there would be no way for it to know that you had subsequently cancelled your card. The expiry date of the voucher will remain the same.

Q: There is one redemption seat available on the route I want. If I use the voucher, will it book a second seat for me automatically?
A: No. The voucher makes use of existing availability, so to book travel for two passengers there must be a minimum of two redemption seats available on the flight.

Q: Availability on BA is really poor. Can I book a codeshare flight?
A: No. The terms of the voucher state that the booking is restricted to BA metal. You should be able to secure availability at T-355 days, as BA release two Club World seats for all flights at this point.

Q: Can I use a Gold Upgrade for Two voucher in conjunction with my voucher?
A: Yes. You will need to call BA to make the booking.

Q: Can I use a Joker in conjunction with my voucher?
A: Yes. You will need to call BA to make the booking.

Q: Can I fly mixed class bookings using the voucher?
A: Yes, however all companions on the booking must fly the same cabin. This means you could fly First outbound and Club World inbound together using the voucher, but you cannot have one passenger in Club World and another in World Traveller Plus on the same leg of the booking.

Q: Can I book myself on one flight and my companion on the next flight?
A: No. You must fly on the same flights, in the same cabin. This also applies to all four passengers if the booking has been made by a Premium Plus Cardmember using two vouchers in the same booking.

Q: Iíve booked in Club World and seats in First have opened up. Can I rebook in First?
A: Yes. You will need to call BA to do this, and the standard BA change fee of £35 will apply along with the Avios difference between cabins.

Q: I booked two regular redemption seats in Club World. Can I retrospectively apply the voucher to my booking and get half the Avios back?
A: No. You will need to cancel and rebook, as you need to apply the voucher at the time of booking. As per standard redemption procedures, there is no guarantee the seats will be re-released for you to book, so cancellation is at your own risk.

Q: Iíve read lots of stories that those travelling on 2-4-1 vouchers are prioritised for downgrades. Should I be worried?
A: Downgrades are very infrequent and while there are stories of this happening, you shouldnít worry that this will happen to you. BA have a number of strategies for overbooking situations and the likelihood of your flight being overbooked, let alone you receiving a downgrade or being denied boarding, is very low.

Q: Can I use a Lloyds Upgrade Voucher in conjunction with my 2-4-1?
A: No. The two vouchers are mutually exclusive.

Q: What is the best strategy to use the voucher and get the flights I want?
A: Flexibility. Being open to arrival airport, dates, and booking as far in advance as possible will all help your chances of booking the trip you want. Travelling midweek and during school term time will also lend itself to more availability.

Q: Can I make a 2-4-1 booking before the voucher expires, but actually fly after the voucher's expiry date?
A: Sort of. In short, you must book and fly the outbound leg before the expiry date. Your return leg(s) can take place after the voucher's expiry date passes.

Q: Do I have to return during the lifetime of the voucher?
A: Although your outbound journey must be completed before the voucher expires, you are free to return any time afterwards (within the limit of the validity of the ticket, which is normally one year from the date of outbound travel).

Q: I have a joint card with someone else, but the voucher has been issued in their name instead of mine, even though I did most of the spending on the card.
A: The voucher is issued in the name of the main Cardmember, regardless of who spends the most on the card.

Q: My Companion can no longer travel with me. Can I amend the name of my Companion on my 2-4-1 booking?
A: No. You will need to cancel the booking in its entirety, wait for the voucher and Avios to re-appear in your account, and create a new booking using the new Companion's details. There is no guarantee that the previous redemption seats you were booked into will reappear in the inventory, so this is at your own risk.

Q: I am a member of a Household Account. What are the rules around my companion travelling with me when this is the case?
A: The voucher terms state that, where you (as the Cardmember who earned the 2-4-1 voucher) are already part of a BA Household Account, the cardmember who travels with you must also be a member of the same Household Account. This is because Members of a Household Account cannot redeem their Avios for anyone outside the Household Account (members of the Family and Friends List are within the Household Account for these purposes). If this is problematic, there are a few ways to resolve this issue:
  • Add your companion to your Household Account. It should be noted that Household Accounts can have a maximum of seven members at any one time, and can only be changed every six months. Your companion must also live at the same address as you for this to be an option.
  • Add your companion to your Household Account's Family and Friends List. Once you have a Household Account, you can create a list of family and friends, so you can spend your Avios on people outside the group and, most importantly, on people who do not share the same address as you. You can nominate up to five people on your Family and Friends List, and you can access your Family and Friends list after you have logged into your online Executive Club account at ba.com. From here you can easily add individuals to your list Ė simply follow the on-screen instructions.
  • You withdraw from your Household Account. You may wish to note that Household Accounts can only be changed every six months.

Q: If I upgrade my Amex from the Classic to the Premium Plus card before earning the voucher, does my spend count towards a £10,000 target or the old £20,000 target?
A: Your spend will count towards the Premium Plus target of £10,000.

Q: I've earned my voucher on the Premium Plus card. If I subsequently downgrade the card, does it retain its two-year validity?
A: Yes. At the point the voucher appears in your BAEC account, the validity and expiry date will not change.


Questions?

This Wiki answers most commonly asked questions about the Voucher, but is not by any means an exhaustive list. Do post in the thread if you have any other questions or queries.



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Old Apr 24, 19, 3:52 am
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My AMEX account is showing that I have hit the spend and therefore qualified for the voucher.

How long will it take to show on my BA account? Can I proactively contact BA earlier to make a booking?
As others have said it usually takes a day or 2.

No you canít use the voucher before it is issued and phoning wonít speed it up. However you might find the voucher shows on your BAEC account online before you get the email notification.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 3:59 am
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Thanks for the help. My wife wants to tour Japan, so weíre planning on returning from Osaka, but I guess we may have to consider your suggested alternatives. We are used to booking everything in one go, therefore not worrying about more than is essential!

I take your point about booking the returns online then telephoning to change from rewards to 2-4-1, but a further complication is that weíll be on hols in Orlando so will have to work out time difference.
We appear to be on similar itineraries!

A lot of this depends on how flexible you are on dates and departure points. We booked the outbound to NRT, using the 241 voucher, albeit a couple of days earlier than originally planned, but the flights were available so we jumped in. Booking the return is usually more tetchy as you are probably now down to only a couple of feasible dates, but the watchword is to be flexible - so look at your preferred option, on the day you want, but be prepared to return from, say, Tokyo as well as Osaka, or even from somewhere outside Japan, or a day or two later.

We had already booked a flight from Tokyo to Hong Kong so our primary option was to return from Hong Kong - we were online at 0100 and managed to get the return booked, albeit for the full avios for 2 pax, and then called up later to have the voucher applied and half of the inbound avios refunded. The fall back, if there had been no HKG availability, was to return from Tokyo and cancel the local flight. Of course, you need to have enough avios to book the return at the full avios rate for two using this method. If you do it this way, they remain as separate bookings - which may have its advantages but also note that if want to cancel the whole thing it would be double the cancellation fees.

Online might be your best bet, if you can afford the initial avios outlay, as the seats appear at 1am UK time, which is 8pm in USA, which is when the office closes. You get put through to call centre elsewhere anyway, so you should be able to call just before 8pm and do deal a few minutes later - we did once manage to call the USA number from holiday in South Africa, at 1am UK time, to book a return from Vancouver - and it worked! If doing it online, do everything you can to speed up the booking process - make sure your companion is already 'in the system' and have your payment card saved - and have your CVV to hand. We have also gone through the whole online process as soon as seats appeared, only to see the transaction not go through at the last step - presumably the seats had either been bagged by a quicker clicker or, more likely, by an agent responding to a call.

Another question, if booking return from Hong Kong, which FF miles can be used between Osaka and HK, or is it best to pay? Possibly VS?
We booked the TYO-HKG flight on JAL using avios which was pretty cheap and next to no taxes.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by vintagepilot View Post
We appear to be on similar itineraries!

A lot of this depends on how flexible you are on dates and departure points. We booked the outbound to NRT, using the 241 voucher, albeit a couple of days earlier than originally planned, but the flights were available so we jumped in. Booking the return is usually more tetchy as you are probably now down to only a couple of feasible dates, but the watchword is to be flexible - so look at your preferred option, on the day you want, but be prepared to return from, say, Tokyo as well as Osaka, or even from somewhere outside Japan, or a day or two later.

We had already booked a flight from Tokyo to Hong Kong so our primary option was to return from Hong Kong - we were online at 0100 and managed to get the return booked, albeit for the full avios for 2 pax, and then called up later to have the voucher applied and half of the inbound avios refunded. The fall back, if there had been no HKG availability, was to return from Tokyo and cancel the local flight. Of course, you need to have enough avios to book the return at the full avios rate for two using this method. If you do it this way, they remain as separate bookings - which may have its advantages but also note that if want to cancel the whole thing it would be double the cancellation fees.

Online might be your best bet, if you can afford the initial avios outlay, as the seats appear at 1am UK time, which is 8pm in USA, which is when the office closes. You get put through to call centre elsewhere anyway, so you should be able to call just before 8pm and do deal a few minutes later - we did once manage to call the USA number from holiday in South Africa, at 1am UK time, to book a return from Vancouver - and it worked! If doing it online, do everything you can to speed up the booking process - make sure your companion is already 'in the system' and have your payment card saved - and have your CVV to hand. We have also gone through the whole online process as soon as seats appeared, only to see the transaction not go through at the last step - presumably the seats had either been bagged by a quicker clicker or, more likely, by an agent responding to a call.



We booked the TYO-HKG flight on JAL using avios which was pretty cheap and next to no taxes.
Thanks for such a wonderful, comprehensive reply.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by vintagepilot View Post
We appear to be on similar itineraries!

A lot of this depends on how flexible you are on dates and departure points. We booked the outbound to NRT, using the 241 voucher, albeit a couple of days earlier than originally planned, but the flights were available so we jumped in. Booking the return is usually more tetchy as you are probably now down to only a couple of feasible dates, but the watchword is to be flexible - so look at your preferred option, on the day you want, but be prepared to return from, say, Tokyo as well as Osaka, or even from somewhere outside Japan, or a day or two later.

We had already booked a flight from Tokyo to Hong Kong so our primary option was to return from Hong Kong - we were online at 0100 and managed to get the return booked, albeit for the full avios for 2 pax, and then called up later to have the voucher applied and half of the inbound avios refunded. The fall back, if there had been no HKG availability, was to return from Tokyo and cancel the local flight. Of course, you need to have enough avios to book the return at the full avios rate for two using this method. If you do it this way, they remain as separate bookings - which may have its advantages but also note that if want to cancel the whole thing it would be double the cancellation fees.

Online might be your best bet, if you can afford the initial avios outlay, as the seats appear at 1am UK time, which is 8pm in USA, which is when the office closes. You get put through to call centre elsewhere anyway, so you should be able to call just before 8pm and do deal a few minutes later - we did once manage to call the USA number from holiday in South Africa, at 1am UK time, to book a return from Vancouver - and it worked! If doing it online, do everything you can to speed up the booking process - make sure your companion is already 'in the system' and have your payment card saved - and have your CVV to hand. We have also gone through the whole online process as soon as seats appeared, only to see the transaction not go through at the last step - presumably the seats had either been bagged by a quicker clicker or, more likely, by an agent responding to a call.



We booked the TYO-HKG flight on JAL using avios which was pretty cheap and next to no taxes.
Two questions re the follow-up phone call once the return has been booked online. Must the UK office be called to amend the 2-4-1 or can an office be called in USA for example. Does the office need to be called the next day or would it wait until I returned to the UK?
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Old Apr 24, 19, 1:45 pm
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Thanks to the advice on this thread I managed to call USA at 0100am UK time this morning to secure the return leg on a 2 for 1 amex redemption.

A word of warning that I appear to have missed from this thread; It was a 2 for 1 for my wife and daughter; I am registered to operate my wife's account and that was all fine. However, I was not in the same country as my wife at the time so wanted to pay with my credit card, not hers that she had already used for the outbound. Having said it went through the call centre then proceeded to ring my wife at 0130 and wake her up to say the credit card hadn't worked and they needed her one.

I wont make that mistake again.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 1:51 pm
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LHR-CPT

just used my AMEX 2-1 last night on the BA direct flight to CPT. Old old 747 with decade plus old IFE and nearly 100% occupancy. Had a nightmare passenger next to me in the window seat who wanted to go to the bathroom six times yet gloated about having switched at the last minute to the window seat. Talked to himself throughout the flight when not badgering the cabin crew for more alcohol.

Many will say not a great use of the 2-1 but it would have gone unused (again) and it was literally a last minute trip to CPT and the cash fares were mega expensive compared to normal but this is Easter travel.

BA should really update their livery for this route but having a monopoly on this route to CPT they can do what they like
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Old Apr 24, 19, 1:53 pm
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If the there was no mention of the 2-4-1 on the Premium Card I would be more inclined to agree with you. As it stands it's a glaring error.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 1:55 pm
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What routes are best to use this voucher? Ideally I want to do a CW or maybe even F?

I was looking at LHR-JFK and although there is availability taxes are crazy!

Are there any good low tax routes or ex-eu that could technically work on it?
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Old Apr 24, 19, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by tomparskate View Post
What routes are best to use this voucher? Ideally I want to do a CW or maybe even F?

I was looking at LHR-JFK and although there is availability taxes are crazy!

Are there any good low tax routes or ex-eu that could technically work on it?
As youíve noticed, the taxes, fees and charges on even Economy redemptions mean that the best value is to redeem for CW or F. A cheap economy ticket to, say, JFK or BOS is about the same price or only marginally more than the TFC on a redemption - and earns, rather than burns, Avios. For this reason, spending Avios on Economy redemptions usually isnít good value (exceptions sometimes exist, eg if youíre very Avios-rich, or are traveling at short notice/another time when cash fare are very high - in these situations, an economy redemption might make sense).

Not sure about specifically ďlow taxĒ routes but by starting in INV or JER, you can avoid paying about £175 per person in air passenger duty. By way of an example, the TFC for INV-LHR-BNA (and return) was £524.82 per person when I booked it in November for Club World; it wouldíve been another ~£175 each without starting from INV.

You cannot do an ex-EU using the 2-4-1: you must depart from a UK/Channel Islands airport.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 2:53 pm
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I have 2 x 2-4-1 to use up, or should i say had, as ive used one recently to redeem return to Hong Kong in First, one of the lower priced routes for fees etc, £1163 for two of us, didnt think it was too bad, going late Nov 19 so the summer heat is over, but hopefully should be warm and dry. Our first first and an A380, two birds with one stone.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 3:01 pm
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Two questions re the follow-up phone call once the return has been booked online. Must the UK office be called to amend the 2-4-1 or can an office be called in USA for example. Does the office need to be called the next day or would it wait until I returned to the UK?
I don't know if there is any time limit - I can't see why there should be. I think I did it on a previous occasion a day or two afterwards, rather than later the same day. You could call and ask the question before you go away.
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Old Apr 24, 19, 3:08 pm
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I've booked my 241 from EDI-LHR-SIN and will be looking to book my return inbound next week - by booking online and then phoning up to "voucher" the ticket.

If I book the first appropriate date and then better return dates crop up later on, how do I change the ticket? Do I have to phone Japan at 1am when the better seats become available. I'm looking for 4 seats in J which don't come up every day?

Is there any hassle doing this or is it straightforward?
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Old Apr 24, 19, 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by munchthepow View Post
A word of warning that I appear to have missed from this thread; It was a 2 for 1 for my wife and daughter; I am registered to operate my wife's account and that was all fine. However, I was not in the same country as my wife at the time so wanted to pay with my credit card, not hers that she had already used for the outbound.
Because it was your wife's account from which the Avios were being taken, the payment must be made using her credit card. That's a rule applicable to all redemptions.
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Old Apr 27, 19, 7:27 am
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I have a 2-4-1 that Iím looking to use for a trip to Tokyo in December in CW.

Thereís decent availability on/around the dates Iím after, so hereís my situation.

A straight up ABZ-NRT return prices out at 150k avios + £655

INV-NRT One Way is 75k + £250
NRT-ABZ One Way is 75k + £110
(So a £600 saving between two people)

So question is, can I book the INV-NRT as a one way booking and then immediately call up BAEC and add the NRT-ABZ as a return? Iíve had a look through the threads and phoning up to add a return onto a 2-4-1 booked as a one way doesnít seem a problem, but does the fact that the departure airport would be INV and the arrival airport being ABZ blow a hole in this plan?



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Old Apr 27, 19, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by ABZFlyer16 View Post
I have a 2-4-1 that Iím looking to use for a trip to Tokyo in December in CW.

Thereís decent availability on/around the dates Iím after, so hereís my situation.

A straight up ABZ-NRT return prices out at 150k avios + £655

INV-NRT One Way is 75k + £250
NRT-ABZ One Way is 75k + £110
(So a £600 saving between two people)

So question is, can I book the INV-NRT as a one way booking and then immediately call up BAEC and add the NRT-ABZ as a return? Iíve had a look through the threads and phoning up to add a return onto a 2-4-1 booked as a one way doesnít seem a problem, but does the fact that the departure airport would be INV and the arrival airport being ABZ blow a hole in this plan?



No, the 241 is only a return, not two ďone waysĒ

The saving would be significant from HKG but itís not possible
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