KVS tool question
Apr 15, 2017, 8:06 am
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KVS tool question
I'm trying to find BA fare rules via KVS tool (diamond membership) but can't seem to get them to display. Screenshot has dummy dates (ie not looking for rules for tonight's flight) but doesn't seem to work if I vary the dates / route etc. I think the dropdown is supposed to show a fare basis (where it says "LON/SYD/BA/?" but unsure how to get that to appear...? Trying to see what the fares are for different booking classes and the rules that apply etc.
Any suggestions welcomed!
(Apologies if this is already answered elsewhere I've looked on KVS help / google / FT forum search but couldn't find anything though would be happily corrected if there's a good resource to read)
Any suggestions welcomed!
(Apologies if this is already answered elsewhere I've looked on KVS help / google / FT forum search but couldn't find anything though would be happily corrected if there's a good resource to read)
Apr 15, 2017, 8:13 am
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KVS Tool just 'screen scrapes' information from various sources. You aren't paying for access to information, just the 'tool' which scrapes information.
Perhaps the data source KVS Toolsteals scrapes this information from has changed their format or blocked/removed it from being freely accessible.
ExpertFlyer provides fare rules in addition to most of what KVSsteals scrapes, but EF pays for that data and I have always found it reliable.
I think the fare you've selected is the following:
Results from https://www.ExpertFlyer.com
Perhaps the data source KVS Tool
ExpertFlyer provides fare rules in addition to most of what KVS
I think the fare you've selected is the following:
Results from https://www.ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Fare Routing Search:
Departing LHR on 15/04/17 for SYD
Fare basis code YRT
Flying BA
Routing via Eastern Hemisphere
Rule Category Rule Text
RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
TC23/123 ECONOMY CLASS FARES
065A/065B/065C/065D/065B/068B/069B
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
BETWEEN EUROPE AND JAPAN / DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF
KOREA / REPUBLIC OF KOREA/SOUTHEAST ASIA/SOUTH
ASIAN SUBCONTINENT/SOUTHWEST PACIFIC/RUSSIAN
FEDERATION EAST OF URALS.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
FARE CLASSES YOW/YWOW/YXOW/YYOW1/Y1OW CANNOT BE
DOUBLED.
ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
FLIGHT APPLICATION NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST SECTOR.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 28 DAYS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 3 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST SECTOR.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
MINIMUM STAY NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
MAXIMUM STAY TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS ORIGINATING UNITED KINGDOM -
UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON
THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS
LIMITED TO 2 FREE AND UNLIMITED AT GBP 75.00
EACH.
ORIGINATING AREA 3 -
UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON
THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS
LIMITED TO 2 FREE AND UNLIMITED AT USD 125.00
EACH.
TRANSFERS UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON
THE FARE COMPONENT.
COMBINATIONS
END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS.
SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA POINT OF
COMBINATION.
OPEN JAWS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
COMPONENT.
PROVIDED -
WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
-BETWEEN AREA 2 AND AREA 3
-WITHIN UNITED KINGDOM OR WITHIN AREA 3
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN
ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN
ANY RULE IN ANY TARIFF.
BLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
SURCHARGES ORIGINATING AUSTRALIA -
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
KINGDOM AND AUSTRALIA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IN ANY COMBINATION
ANY QF FLIGHT
ANY BA FLIGHT.
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF AUD 165.00 PER
COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY
PASSENGER IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
WHEN SECTOR OF TRAVEL IS BETWEEN AREA 3 AND LON.
ORIGINATING AUSTRALIA -
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
KINGDOM AND AUSTRALIA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IN ANY COMBINATION
ANY JQ FLIGHT
ANY BA FLIGHT.
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF AUD 165.00 PER
COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY
PASSENGER IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
WHEN SECTOR OF TRAVEL IS BETWEEN AREA 3 AND LON.
ORIGINATING AUSTRALIA -
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN UNITED
KINGDOM AND AUSTRALIA
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ALL OF THE FOLLOWING IN ANY COMBINATION
ANY CX FLIGHT
ANY BA FLIGHT.
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF AUD 130.00 PER
COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY
PASSENGER IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
WHEN SECTOR OF TRAVEL IS BETWEEN AREA 3 AND LON.
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
SALES RESTRICTIONS TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN ARGENTINA/VENEZUELA/NIGERIA/
ANGOLA.
TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
PENALTIES NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NO PENALTIES UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
REFUND WITHOUT PENALTY PERMITTED AT ANY TIME
UNLIMITED CHANGES WITHOUT PENALTY PERMITTED
AT ANY TIME.
-------------------------------------------------
A CHANGE IS A DATE/ FLIGHT/ ROUTING/ BOOKING
CODE CHANGE.
-------------------------------------------------
WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED
THE HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
-------------------------------------------------
--- REPRICING CONDITIONS ---
A. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED
THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING CURRENT
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET
IS REISSUED.
B. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
WHEN CHANGES ARE TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST
FARE COMPONENT AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE
ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE
OR USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE
THE TICKET IS REISSUED - WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE
COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED
THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR
USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE
TICKET IS REISSUED - WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
--------------------------------------------------
NEW TICKET MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
PREVIOUS AND MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF
THE NEW FARE BEING APPLIED.
--------------------------------------------------
WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED.
ANY APPLICABLE CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
--------------------------------------------------
WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE THE
RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE REFUNDED. ANY APPLICABLE
CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
-------------------------------------------------
FARE COMPONENT IS FULLY REFUNDABLE.
-------------------------------------------------
REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
-------------------------------------------------
WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
REFUNDABLE FARES
1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT IS REFUNDED
2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
COMPONENTS.
--------------------------------------------------
REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
IMPOSED CHARGES ARE REFUNDABLE.
--------------------------------------------------
ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
--------------------------------------------------
TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
-------------------------------------------------
PARTIALLY USED TICKETS - REFUND THE DIFFERENCE -
IF ANY - BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR
THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED.
------ CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS-----
FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE
THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
REFUND
FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
ORIGINAL
PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR UNDER 12 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 -
CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS PERMITTED.
AGENT DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
AGENT DISCOUNTS PERMITTED.
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE.
GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
COMPONENTS AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
2. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
ADD-COLLECT
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
COMPONENTS AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
ADD-COLLECT
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
.
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE.
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
.
Apr 15, 2017, 9:13 am
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I haven't used KVS for a while, but there was a change a while back where you had to double click on a fare price to show the fare basis (rather than all of them showing immediately). After that I think the fare rules should be available from the drop-down (replacing the question mark).
If that doesn't work then as KARFA suggests using ITA matrix and forcing results in a given fare class using "BA+ /f bc=X" in the advanced routing box, where X is the fare bucket, is a workable alternative.
If that doesn't work then as KARFA suggests using ITA matrix and forcing results in a given fare class using "BA+ /f bc=X" in the advanced routing box, where X is the fare bucket, is a workable alternative.
Apr 15, 2017, 9:31 am
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Thanks
I'm trying to figure out how much a trip will cost with a GUF2 - my understanding is (booking via a travel agent) it will book into A class (First) but be priced in I class (ie Club World) - but I'm trying to understand what the I class fare will be, as my reading on here suggests it is the lowest published fare for that date as opposed to the lowest fare being actively sold at the point of booking.
Also trying to compare the cost if I ticket it as an ex-UK (starting in Scotland and connecting via LHR) vs ex-EU...
I'm trying to figure out how much a trip will cost with a GUF2 - my understanding is (booking via a travel agent) it will book into A class (First) but be priced in I class (ie Club World) - but I'm trying to understand what the I class fare will be, as my reading on here suggests it is the lowest published fare for that date as opposed to the lowest fare being actively sold at the point of booking.
Also trying to compare the cost if I ticket it as an ex-UK (starting in Scotland and connecting via LHR) vs ex-EU...
Apr 15, 2017, 9:48 am
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Thanks
I'm trying to figure out how much a trip will cost with a GUF2 - my understanding is (booking via a travel agent) it will book into A class (First) but be priced in I class (ie Club World) - but I'm trying to understand what the I class fare will be, as my reading on here suggests it is the lowest published fare for that date as opposed to the lowest fare being actively sold at the point of booking.
Also trying to compare the cost if I ticket it as an ex-UK (starting in Scotland and connecting via LHR) vs ex-EU...
I'm trying to figure out how much a trip will cost with a GUF2 - my understanding is (booking via a travel agent) it will book into A class (First) but be priced in I class (ie Club World) - but I'm trying to understand what the I class fare will be, as my reading on here suggests it is the lowest published fare for that date as opposed to the lowest fare being actively sold at the point of booking.
Also trying to compare the cost if I ticket it as an ex-UK (starting in Scotland and connecting via LHR) vs ex-EU...
Just price up as normal cash fares in business for exUK and exEU. That is what you pay, and then the GUF is applied to upgrade to F.
Last edited by KARFA; Apr 15, 2017 at 9:53 am
Apr 15, 2017, 9:52 am
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I'm trying to figure out how much a trip will cost with a GUF2 - my understanding is (booking via a travel agent) it will book into A class (First) but be priced in I class (ie Club World) - but I'm trying to understand what the I class fare will be, as my reading on here suggests it is the lowest published fare for that date as opposed to the lowest fare being actively sold at the point of booking.
Also trying to compare the cost if I ticket it as an ex-UK (starting in Scotland and connecting via LHR) vs ex-EU...
I'm trying to figure out how much a trip will cost with a GUF2 - my understanding is (booking via a travel agent) it will book into A class (First) but be priced in I class (ie Club World) - but I'm trying to understand what the I class fare will be, as my reading on here suggests it is the lowest published fare for that date as opposed to the lowest fare being actively sold at the point of booking.
Also trying to compare the cost if I ticket it as an ex-UK (starting in Scotland and connecting via LHR) vs ex-EU...
Apr 16, 2017, 7:34 am
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@so3003, I do have the same experience as you. I used to use expertflyer, but now wanted to give KVS a try.
When searching for a simple basefare, FRA-KEF, it does list prices just as in your screenshot, but not the corresponding basefares. Without the name of the basefare however I canīt access the information that KVS advertises to provide. To me thatīs borderline fraud.
I did write a mail to their support address, will see how they handle it. For now I am very dissappointed with the tool, will continue using expertflyer and will highly recommend anyone to not use KVStool.
Quite fitting that they would even have "stool" in their name.
When searching for a simple basefare, FRA-KEF, it does list prices just as in your screenshot, but not the corresponding basefares. Without the name of the basefare however I canīt access the information that KVS advertises to provide. To me thatīs borderline fraud.
I did write a mail to their support address, will see how they handle it. For now I am very dissappointed with the tool, will continue using expertflyer and will highly recommend anyone to not use KVStool.
Quite fitting that they would even have "stool" in their name.
Apr 16, 2017, 10:39 am
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@so3003, I do have the same experience as you. I used to use expertflyer, but now wanted to give KVS a try.
Apr 16, 2017, 10:41 am
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Apr 16, 2017, 11:59 am
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@so3003, I do have the same experience as you....I did write a mail to their support address, will see how they handle it.
Apr 16, 2017, 12:07 pm
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Because on some of the data EF is outdated or incorrect. Donīt recall exactly the fares now, but I had trouble several times when OTAs would come up with fares EF didnīt know. I thought KVS might be better in that regards foolishliy thinking that constantly updating the tool is equivalent with more accurate data.
Apr 16, 2017, 12:12 pm
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Because on some of the data EF is outdated or incorrect. Donīt recall exactly the fares now, but I had trouble several times when OTAs would come up with fares EF didnīt know. I thought KVS might be better in that regards foolishliy thinking that constantly updating the tool is equivalent with more accurate data.
Apr 16, 2017, 8:52 pm
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KVS Tool also has numerous other supplementary functions, including Fare Info, which currently requires the Fare Basis Code to be entered manually.