JFK- MAN, BA route takeover from AA?
#1
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JFK- MAN, BA route takeover from AA?
it seems AA have pulled most all non-stop Business milesaver awards [which can be booked for this route with BA avios] as well as changing from a 767 to 757, 28 to 16 cabin, and lie flat to angled seat...
I could only find 2 seats in total, may-october. most business aa milesaver were being pushed to BA flights thru LHR.
on checking further ahead, all AA non stop awards JFK-MAN, in any class, stop Oct 28/29 2017. the calendar is literally blank after that date.
a while back, it was rumoured here that BA will take over the MAN-JFK route.
is this the date? IT problems? or has the route gone seasonal?
apologies if Ive missed this info elsewhere
thanks!
I could only find 2 seats in total, may-october. most business aa milesaver were being pushed to BA flights thru LHR.
on checking further ahead, all AA non stop awards JFK-MAN, in any class, stop Oct 28/29 2017. the calendar is literally blank after that date.
a while back, it was rumoured here that BA will take over the MAN-JFK route.
is this the date? IT problems? or has the route gone seasonal?
apologies if Ive missed this info elsewhere
thanks!
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...and go head to head with Thomas Cook?
I think LEVEL would be an error of epic proportions ex-MAN as that corner is covered by an established, and liked, competitor.
The AA brand is badly tarnished out of MAN.
It's no wonder you can get cheap J tickets to Obscureville and elsewhere with them currently.
I think LEVEL would be an error of epic proportions ex-MAN as that corner is covered by an established, and liked, competitor.
The AA brand is badly tarnished out of MAN.
It's no wonder you can get cheap J tickets to Obscureville and elsewhere with them currently.
#5
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The 767 is 1-2-1 all-aisle access, whereas the 757 is 2-2, but the difference is not as bad as you make out.
#6
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checking regular bookings, looks like no AA flights at all MAN - JFK after Oct 29 2017
If BA is replacing AA, it doesnt show up yet.
"Almost all AA's international 757s are lie-flat "
thought the new 757 seat was angled flat? and no IFE or tablets on MAN route-- just overhead video?
original thread here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...se-2017-a.html
If BA is replacing AA, it doesnt show up yet.
"Almost all AA's international 757s are lie-flat "
thought the new 757 seat was angled flat? and no IFE or tablets on MAN route-- just overhead video?
original thread here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...se-2017-a.html
#7
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VS will be serving JFK from MAN - but only 3 or 4 days a week. The other 3/4 days will be ATL.
Currently - the winter 2017 season will see some days with no MAN-JFK service at all, for the first time in many years.
There is still the UA EWR service.
Currently - the winter 2017 season will see some days with no MAN-JFK service at all, for the first time in many years.
There is still the UA EWR service.
#8
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Don't know why BA don't resume a proper service out of MAN again. They could've experimented with the 767s they got rid of last year. Very low risk as they've got all the infrastructure in place and had capacity to do it at the time.
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Without knowing the intentions of either carrier, I just don't see BA resuming this service nor any significant benefit for passengers. Easy to forget that a small minority travel in premium cabins so it would largely be a case of 'can you spot the difference' for most.
For me the loss of MCE and the requirement to transfer terminals at JFK if I am flying further on in the US would be significant negatives.
For me the loss of MCE and the requirement to transfer terminals at JFK if I am flying further on in the US would be significant negatives.
#10
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Given BA pulled the MAN>JFK route quite a few years ago, would be surprised to see them back on it. Was a nice route on the B767 (took it once, enjoyed the 2x3x2 WT cabin, especially with nobody beside me!)
I don't think a JFK rotation with a B788 would work as the aircraft would have to be cycled through LHR for maintenance and rather then schedule random MAN>LHR rotations, carriers tend to prefer to cycle aircraft through the outstation in these circumstances. EWR is only B789's I think, and I don't think an F cabin would be required on that route (I maybe wrong!)
Lastly, as noted above, AA benefited from a same Terminal transfer and obviously couldn't make it work, so not sure BA could get the transfer pax to make it viable if people have to transfer terminals.
Pilot37
I don't think a JFK rotation with a B788 would work as the aircraft would have to be cycled through LHR for maintenance and rather then schedule random MAN>LHR rotations, carriers tend to prefer to cycle aircraft through the outstation in these circumstances. EWR is only B789's I think, and I don't think an F cabin would be required on that route (I maybe wrong!)
Lastly, as noted above, AA benefited from a same Terminal transfer and obviously couldn't make it work, so not sure BA could get the transfer pax to make it viable if people have to transfer terminals.
Pilot37
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...and go head to head with Thomas Cook?
I think LEVEL would be an error of epic proportions ex-MAN as that corner is covered by an established, and liked, competitor.
The AA brand is badly tarnished out of MAN.
It's no wonder you can get cheap J tickets to Obscureville and elsewhere with them currently.
I think LEVEL would be an error of epic proportions ex-MAN as that corner is covered by an established, and liked, competitor.
The AA brand is badly tarnished out of MAN.
It's no wonder you can get cheap J tickets to Obscureville and elsewhere with them currently.
#12
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Given BA pulled the MAN>JFK route quite a few years ago, would be surprised to see them back on it. Was a nice route on the B767 (took it once, enjoyed the 2x3x2 WT cabin, especially with nobody beside me!)
I don't think a JFK rotation with a B788 would work as the aircraft would have to be cycled through LHR for maintenance and rather then schedule random MAN>LHR rotations, carriers tend to prefer to cycle aircraft through the outstation in these circumstances. EWR is only B789's I think, and I don't think an F cabin would be required on that route (I maybe wrong!)
Lastly, as noted above, AA benefited from a same Terminal transfer and obviously couldn't make it work, so not sure BA could get the transfer pax to make it viable if people have to transfer terminals.
Pilot37
I don't think a JFK rotation with a B788 would work as the aircraft would have to be cycled through LHR for maintenance and rather then schedule random MAN>LHR rotations, carriers tend to prefer to cycle aircraft through the outstation in these circumstances. EWR is only B789's I think, and I don't think an F cabin would be required on that route (I maybe wrong!)
Lastly, as noted above, AA benefited from a same Terminal transfer and obviously couldn't make it work, so not sure BA could get the transfer pax to make it viable if people have to transfer terminals.
Pilot37
#13
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With BA testing the water with a handful of European flights out of Manchester, this wouldn't be a total shock.
If you can charge more for a direct fare from Manchester and reduce capacity of connecting flights between Manchester and London then this may not be far fetched.
Although a few years off, the plans to rebuild Terminal 1 apparently include US pre-clearance too.
If you can charge more for a direct fare from Manchester and reduce capacity of connecting flights between Manchester and London then this may not be far fetched.
Although a few years off, the plans to rebuild Terminal 1 apparently include US pre-clearance too.
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Without knowing the intentions of either carrier, I just don't see BA resuming this service nor any significant benefit for passengers. Easy to forget that a small minority travel in premium cabins so it would largely be a case of 'can you spot the difference' for most.
For me the loss of MCE and the requirement to transfer terminals at JFK if I am flying further on in the US would be significant negatives.
For me the loss of MCE and the requirement to transfer terminals at JFK if I am flying further on in the US would be significant negatives.
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