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FT BA Flight Simulator Outing to Heathrow [UK] – 20/27 October 2017

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It’s back again! Simulator choice this year is 747 and 777. One of the 747 simulators is actually going this year so you may want to try them before they all go. No one will be forced to fly on something they don’t want though, and I would imagine the 747 is the one most want (and should) try.

Previous Trip Reports for the Simulators
Cost
Each simulator holds 4 people and one instructor. The total cost of a 4 hour session in one simulator would be £1,700 (this is cheaper than BA offer to the public), and this would give around 55-60 minutes of time per person on the controls – although we would rotate during the session so this would be split in to a number of smaller time chunks. Please note that the prices on the BAFT website are quoted as £1,700 excluding VAT per simulator, but we have been offered them for a price of £1,700, including VAT.

As we are charged per simulator generally a group in multiples of 4 would be ideal, with cost per person being £425. If we only had three people for example we would still have to pay £1,700 so the cost per person increases to £567 per person, although we would each get a bit more time at the controls. If we end up with 5 though it may well make sense to go to 1 simulator to reduce the cost and have say 45/50 minutes each per simulator.

Basically once we confirm numbers we can make a choice if we don't have a multiple of 4, although a multiple of 4 would be ideal.

Payment
Once the date is confirmed and booked each person would pay their share directly to BAFT, this is likely to be around September or early October when payment is due. It would be non-refundable so if you don't show you would unfortunately not get your money back, but this stops those that do show all of a sudden having to cover any no-show's share. If you do commit and pay and find in a few months you can't make it one option may be to see if a friend, work colleague, or other FT'er can come and take your place and they can pay you directly for your share which you have already paid to BAFT.

I will ensure that we are absolutely not going to be in a situation on the day where I am asking those that have come along to dip in to their pockets to cover any additional cost. Sorry this seems a bit harsh, but I don't think anyone wants to turn up finding instead of £3,400 divided by 8 it is suddenly only divided by 6.

Dates & Times
Unfortunately weekends are not possible for a group booking, so the options are weekdays. My own preference would be a Friday and probably 1900-2300 as (coming from the regions) I would only need to take half a day off work and wouldn't have to worry about getting back for working the next day. For those in London or around the South East you could come in the evening and there would be no need for any holiday being used.

If we booked for a date more than 3 months in advance we can hopefully get our choice of date & time. I have already confirmed with BA that the dates offered below are available.

Attendees and Groups
See post 127 for the group lists - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28614931-post127.html

Standby list -

Location
The simulators are all now at the new Engineering Base at Heathrow near Hatton Cross tube station - they used to be at Cranebank which is where we went in 2014, but they were moved last year and our 2015 and 2016 visits were at the new facility. More details here.

As this is part of a secure area you would need a passport or other photo ID to enter.

Flights

20.10.17

BA835 DUB-LHR (ETA: 1425) EI147, datschi
BA1343 LBA-LHR (ETA: 1535) KARFA,
BA753 BSL-LHR (ETA: 1240) florens

27.10.17

BA1343 LBA-LHR (ETA: 1535) KARFA, S_W_S

Hotels

20.10.17

Hilton Garden Inn Heathrow at Hatton Cross: florens, KARFA, flatlander
Sheraton Heathrow: headinclouds

27.10.17

Hilton Garden Inn Heathrow at Hatton Cross: KARFA, S_W_S

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Old May 11, 17, 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by BoeBus View Post
Hi KARFA, I've secured another recruit so one more for me please - 777 as well.

Thanks!
Thanks, so that's four of you now including yourself, very impressing!
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Old May 11, 17, 5:09 am
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Just a reminder, the cutoff date to join up will be Friday 19 May.

For those who have already posted, please do let me know if you are unable to make it now. Unfortunately due to the cost and the advanced booking period once we pass this date you will be responsible for your share of the cost - if you can't make it one option may be to see if a friend, work colleague, or other FT'er can come and take your place and they can pay you directly for your share which you have already paid to BAFT.

I appreciate that this does mean committing 5 months ahead, however this is unfortunately inevitable - the sims are very busy and they are charged on a per sim basis to us, so the total cost does not decrease if only 3 turn up when there were originally 4 booked.
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Old May 11, 17, 5:20 am
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Make sure you all get KARFA out of bed so he doesn't miss it.I'm sure everybody will enjoy the evening.
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Old May 11, 17, 5:21 am
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Originally Posted by rapidex View Post
Make sure you all get KARFA out of bed so he doesn't miss it.I'm sure everybody will enjoy the evening.
For a 7pm start I should be ok to make it - hopefully
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Poor KARFA must endure comments about his mishap in nearly all threads!
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Thanks, have added you to the list in the wiki.
Is it possible to use Avios as part payment? Had some sitting around for a long time and I would love to spend them so I don't have to bother about them expiring.
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Old May 11, 17, 3:53 pm
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Hi - Is it still ok to sign up? I'd love to do this (don't really have preference for date/ac).
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I'm still OK for either date, and also happy to go in either a group of 3 or a group of 4 (I'm aware of the relevant cost, of course).
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I'm also still in for either date and, like flatlander, also happy in a group of 3 or 4 - not that I wish to encourage no-shows.
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Is it possible to use Avios as part payment?
I don't believe so.
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Old May 12, 17, 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by mikeec View Post
Is it possible to use Avios as part payment? Had some sitting around for a long time and I would love to spend them so I don't have to bother about them expiring.
No, sorry it isn't. Payments are also taken over the phone rather than using any online payment site. They do count as BA spend though so you will get your avios bonus if you have a BAPP.

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Hi - Is it still ok to sign up? I'd love to do this (don't really have preference for date/ac).
Yes, I'll add you to the list.
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Old May 12, 17, 3:29 am
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Payments are also taken over the phone rather than using any online payment site.
How would that work for me?

I expected to get an account info so I can do an international transfer from my account.
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How would that work for me?

I expected to get an account info so I can do an international transfer from my account.
Don't you have a credit card?
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Old May 12, 17, 3:41 am
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Don't you have a credit card?
Yes I do. What do you mean by "payment taken by phone"?

Is it an on site payment?

Edit. Oh I see. It is a call. Since I basically never call anyone, I don't associate a phone with calling anymore lol.
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Yes I do. What do you mean by "payment taken by phone"?

Is it an on site payment?

Edit. Oh I see. It is a call. Since I basically never call anyone, I don't associate a phone with calling anymore lol.
Yes, old style!

You pick up the phone, dial BAFT, and a human being takes your card number and charges your card
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