In (partial) defense of CW
Apr 1, 17, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
And while there are some worse products than CW out there there's also a lot of better products out there. For CW to be an option for me, BA needs to be a good bit cheaper than a lot of the competition and that just isn't very common (at least in my scenarios)
Apr 1, 17, 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by smokie36
Was around five years ago.
Apr 1, 17, 11:44 pm
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Not an expert but are the CX regionals not de-rated and incapable of HKG LHR? The CX product seems to me to be extremely consistent with the only difference being is there a F cabin or not. If I was looking at BA J I would always check what sears are available and not book if the good ones were gone where as with CX a window is nice but a middle is absolutely fine too.
Apr 2, 17, 1:46 am
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Originally Posted by Nuster
Not an expert but are the CX regionals not de-rated and incapable of HKG LHR? The CX product seems to me to be extremely consistent with the only difference being is there a F cabin or not. If I was looking at BA J I would always check what sears are available and not book if the good ones were gone where as with CX a window is nice but a middle is absolutely fine too.
Apr 2, 17, 2:04 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic
Even five years ago, for a long haul route, a cradle seat will have been an unfortunate (and highly unusual) substitution by a regional aircraft. You were terribly unlucky.
Apr 2, 17, 2:46 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic
I never understand those references by so many posters about QR crew being robotic/unable to think outside the box/less engaging etc. I'm sure people have felt that way since this keeps being repeated, but quite simply, it is entirely at odds with my own experience on QR.
Apr 2, 17, 3:33 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic
I never understand those references by so many posters about QR crew being robotic/unable to think outside the box/less engaging etc. I'm sure people have felt that way since this keeps being repeated, but quite simply, it is entirely at odds with my own experience on QR.
I actually find that crew tend to show an excellent sense of initiative. Sure, there are service standards which are strictly adhered to (not least both 'in charge of the seat' crew and purser welcome and pre-landing goodbye, the regular offers of hot/cold towel at the start, then hot towel again at multiple points in the flight etc, which can give a sense of predictability, but there is plenty of initiative too. Since the start of 2017 alone, I have had QR crew who have offered to (and delivered) a shorter steak cooking time when I said I was tempted to take it but do like my steak rare, fixing ad hoc drinks, pro-actively offering to bring a extra blanket when they saw I was not quite covered by mine, and plenty more. I have had many an interesting discussion with crew members, including some fairly personal ones about their backgrounds, life in Doha, their future plans, etc, and find that the diversity in nationality comes with a great and inspiring diversity in styles and personalities.
the notion that QR staff are 'less free to express their personality' or 'less capable of thinking outside the box' is entirely at odds with my own experience over dozens and dozens of flights.
I actually find that crew tend to show an excellent sense of initiative. Sure, there are service standards which are strictly adhered to (not least both 'in charge of the seat' crew and purser welcome and pre-landing goodbye, the regular offers of hot/cold towel at the start, then hot towel again at multiple points in the flight etc, which can give a sense of predictability, but there is plenty of initiative too. Since the start of 2017 alone, I have had QR crew who have offered to (and delivered) a shorter steak cooking time when I said I was tempted to take it but do like my steak rare, fixing ad hoc drinks, pro-actively offering to bring a extra blanket when they saw I was not quite covered by mine, and plenty more. I have had many an interesting discussion with crew members, including some fairly personal ones about their backgrounds, life in Doha, their future plans, etc, and find that the diversity in nationality comes with a great and inspiring diversity in styles and personalities.
the notion that QR staff are 'less free to express their personality' or 'less capable of thinking outside the box' is entirely at odds with my own experience over dozens and dozens of flights.
While there may be cultural issues at play here - many of QR's cabin crew are Asians who, particularly females, may initially be more reserved when it comes to interaction with 'western' male passengers - once any barriers have been overcome they are great to talk to. With Mrs PtF being a Filipina, and having spent a great deal of time in south and east Asia, I can vouch from extensive personal experience how 'unrobotic' people from that part of the world can be.
Apr 2, 17, 3:52 am
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Originally Posted by Dan72
Perhaps because they had different experiences from you?
Originally Posted by Dan72
I'm sure 95% of BA crew would have handled the situation without creating further frustration.
Apr 2, 17, 4:13 am
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While I usually like CW crew and service (a bit less the food offering), the seat doesn't work for me as well as AA or QR ones.
So, if price is the same and I can choose, for long haul flights I prefer going with those partners. Indeed for the summer family trip, we choose AA over BA for both TATL flights.
It's just a matter of personal comfort
So, if price is the same and I can choose, for long haul flights I prefer going with those partners. Indeed for the summer family trip, we choose AA over BA for both TATL flights.
It's just a matter of personal comfort
Apr 2, 17, 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by Phil the Flyer
While there may be cultural issues at play here - many of QR's cabin crew are Asians who, particularly females, may initially be more reserved when it comes to interaction with 'western' male passengers - once any barriers have been overcome they are great to talk to. With Mrs PtF being a Filipina, and having spent a great deal of time in south and east Asia, I can vouch from extensive personal experience how 'unrobotic' people from that part of the world can be.
Apr 2, 17, 5:03 am
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Well, I haven't tried the Q suite but I would avoid the rear-facing seats. It's for now an academic point for me as my travels take me westbound and not eastbound, so I'm not comparing CW with the ME3 or the Asian carriers but simply the European and North American competition.
And while there are some worse products than CW out there there's also a lot of better products out there. For CW to be an option for me, BA needs to be a good bit cheaper than a lot of the competition and that just isn't very common (at least in my scenarios)
And while there are some worse products than CW out there there's also a lot of better products out there. For CW to be an option for me, BA needs to be a good bit cheaper than a lot of the competition and that just isn't very common (at least in my scenarios)
You might be happy with your feet under the seat in front and that's fine but I prefer to pay not to have to do that. Probably reminds me of Economy too much.
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Apr 2, 17, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by Lefly
It's just a matter of personal comfort
Apr 2, 17, 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by simons1
Indeed it's all a matter of preference. The seats have to be fitted in somehow.
Its 2-4-2 on BA with no coffin, or 1-2-1 on airlines with a foot coffin and direct aisle access.
Each to their own.
Its 2-4-2 on BA with no coffin, or 1-2-1 on airlines with a foot coffin and direct aisle access.
Each to their own.
Apr 2, 17, 6:52 am
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- The Club Kitchen is reliably stocked with 'proper' food items (Sandwiches, salads, etc.) in addition to the standard crisps, chocolate and fruit, this is great if you just fancy a light snack rather than a full blown hot meal.
