Apr 16, 2017, 1:12 pm
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Club Europe Catering Guide 2017.
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
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Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
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October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
----
Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
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October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
Club Europe catering guide
Sep 4, 2018, 7:32 am
#2881
Join Date: Apr 2006
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https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...usiness-dining
The Clube Europe catering section of the BA website has been updated.
You will find a lot of answers there.
The Clube Europe catering section of the BA website has been updated.
You will find a lot of answers there.
So this is brunch then? Breakfast seems to be the same on all flights.
And the - "On shorter flights you will have the choice of up to 2 substantial fresh main course salads."
No more Panini then, it seems. A return to the cold salad. As long as it's not chilled chicken (having had about 8 years experience with that on DUB-LHR) I'll be happy.
Afternoon tea appears to be the same as now plus scones - which is perfect
Sep 4, 2018, 7:42 am
#2882
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Interesting is the - "On shorter mid-morning flights, you'll enjoy a selection of continental cold meats and cheese, or a delicious hot savoury snack."
So this is brunch then? Breakfast seems to be the same on all flights.
And the - "On shorter flights you will have the choice of up to 2 substantial fresh main course salads."
No more Panini then, it seems. A return to the cold salad. As long as it's not chilled chicken (having had about 8 years experience with that on DUB-LHR) I'll be happy.
Afternoon tea appears to be the same as now plus scones - which is perfect
So this is brunch then? Breakfast seems to be the same on all flights.
And the - "On shorter flights you will have the choice of up to 2 substantial fresh main course salads."
No more Panini then, it seems. A return to the cold salad. As long as it's not chilled chicken (having had about 8 years experience with that on DUB-LHR) I'll be happy.
Afternoon tea appears to be the same as now plus scones - which is perfect
Sep 4, 2018, 7:47 am
#2883
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Dorset, UK
Programs: BA GGL
Posts: 633
I may be the only one but am slightly annoyed to be losing the panini. Sometimes I just cannot be bothered with a salad and want something hot. Shame.
Sep 4, 2018, 7:53 am
#2884
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Programs: BA Gold, Mucci
Posts: 2,065
You know, I don't mind the Panini. I just don't like getting variants on a Panini ad nauseam on every single flight I take. Rotate the Panini in for four two week periods in the year and no problem! It's the lack of variety that was spoiling every lunch and dinner service when it was a Panini or nothing if you wanted something hot.
Sep 4, 2018, 8:11 am
#2885
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Posts: 7,884
Just moaning...
Sep 4, 2018, 8:21 am
#2886
Join Date: Nov 2005
Programs: BA Exec
Posts: 647
I’ve seen this on the internet ..
Sep 4, 2018, 8:25 am
#2887
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The photos are impressive, but that is the intention, so yes, we need to see how implementation works. But it seems essentially a reversion to the previous system, unless we discover that NCE isn't band 3 any more.... Faro was band 3, but right at the end of it, so a slightly curious choice of example. The previous banding system had some artificial constraints, so for example TXL was band 2 even though it was well into band 3 distance wise, but since Luftnansa don't provide hot food, BA didn't see the point in doing so either. The older band 4 was essentially Greece, Turkey, Bucharest, outer Med, Canaries, LED.
I'm afraid the small trays are inevitable. In order to get all more seats on to the aircraft range, the trolley system can only work with one tray the size it is, unless CE was systematically limited to 7 rows.
I'm afraid the small trays are inevitable. In order to get all more seats on to the aircraft range, the trolley system can only work with one tray the size it is, unless CE was systematically limited to 7 rows.
Sep 4, 2018, 8:29 am
#2888
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Sep 4, 2018, 8:33 am
#2889
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Posts: 647
I don’t think there’s a distinction ....i recognise this image and it applies to both cabins . The BoB column is used partly to determine crew numbers on the day
Sep 4, 2018, 8:33 am
#2890
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Sep 4, 2018, 8:36 am
#2891
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NM, this is a thread about banding in CE. «comment about ET and BoB take-up deleted»
Sep 4, 2018, 8:42 am
#2892
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Not quite, OSL's flight timings link in with meal times, On the other hand TLL goes out 08:15 from LHR and back mid afternoon from TLL so probably most ET people would have eaten. What I was trying to say was that this is plausible because of what else I know. Given what Bar Operator has added, it would appear we have 5 bands really, with Germany all kept in band 1 (which is the second band...), Madrid keeps the hot meals, and I can just imagine what orbitmic is thinking!
Sep 4, 2018, 9:04 am
#2893
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 423
I regularly fly the LHR - BUD route but if I recall this always had a hot meal.
Am I wrong?
I am flying there on the 14th so will report back.
Am I wrong?
I am flying there on the 14th so will report back.
Sep 4, 2018, 9:47 am
#2894
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Under the previous system the only places to always get a hot meal on all flights were in band 4, and BUD was, and reverts back, to band 3. So under the previous 4 band system there was a risk of ambient brunch / afternoon tea in band 3, while lunch and dinner timings got the hot meal. Clearly if the flight timings avoid brunch / tea then BUD would only get hot breakfast, lunch, dinner. Now BUD did well under the current system, since being a Long it always gets a hot meal. Under my reading of this, it still seems to keep hot meal since it is in the same band as Faro, indeed benefits from the third main meal salad option.
Sep 4, 2018, 9:49 am
#2895
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Well, the new Club Europe catering has been confirmed and the rumours are true.
The official press release is here.
"From September 12* the airline will introduce new menus with improved recipes and signature warm breads. There’s also a commitment to provenance, with dishes developed around key British ingredients. Launch options will include shaved Herefordshire roast beef on a tartar cream with rocket, British Reared Pork sausage and mash and a celebration of British chesses.
On the airline’s longer short haul flights to destinations such as Faro, customers will now have the choice of two hot options and one cold. Menus on flights to and from Heathrow will also be changed twice a month, rather than monthly.
As well as enhanced food, the airline will also be refining the beverages on offer, with new wines served in quarter bottles and coffee provided by British speciality roaster, Union Hand-Roasted coffee."
The official press release is here.
"From September 12* the airline will introduce new menus with improved recipes and signature warm breads. There’s also a commitment to provenance, with dishes developed around key British ingredients. Launch options will include shaved Herefordshire roast beef on a tartar cream with rocket, British Reared Pork sausage and mash and a celebration of British chesses.
On the airline’s longer short haul flights to destinations such as Faro, customers will now have the choice of two hot options and one cold. Menus on flights to and from Heathrow will also be changed twice a month, rather than monthly.
As well as enhanced food, the airline will also be refining the beverages on offer, with new wines served in quarter bottles and coffee provided by British speciality roaster, Union Hand-Roasted coffee."