Apr 16, 2017, 1:12 pm
Last edit by: corporate-wage-slave
Club Europe Catering Guide 2017.
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
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Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
===
October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
This thread outlines the new arrangements for Club Europe catering, introduced on Sunday 26 March 2017 and due to end on Tuesday 11 September 2018, based on 3 zones. A new Club Europe catering product is due to be launch on Wednesday 12 September 2018, and this is based on 4 bands. The main information piece - in terms of timings and the distance zones for the meals can be found in post 1. The following cross references the photos below against the matrix of options. In addition to the photos, some FTers have written extensively on their experiences so there is more to this thread than the pictures. Also note that there was an increase in food offered on some combinations shortly after the start-up, so the more recent photos may be the best place to start.The previous shorthaul catering guide, now locked but which had the previous 4 band system, is to be found here.
Numbers relate to the post number. Vegetarian means the alternative option provided as standard rather than the pre-ordered versions - which are VLML (Lacto-ovo), AVML (Asia) and VGML (Vegan) . There are differences between the offering in/out of LHR, LGW, LCY+STN. Last update: 833
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Note posts before 1-832 are typically the April 2017 menu. 833 and above is from the menu for May 2017.
----
Chef's Chat sheets for:
CE LHR Summer 2017 - Rotation A
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28338151-post954.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28339641-post958.html
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Short Band (UK, France, Ireland, BeNeLux, Germany)
Breakfast: 279, 570 (vegetarian), 629, 674, 821 (Express breakfast for MAN and LBA), 1343 (Vegan), 2285 (Express for LBA and MAN), 2445
Brunch: 180, 289, 469, 563, 685, 716, 2625 (AVML)
Lunch: 207, 545 (diabetic), 644 (first photo), 680 (VLML), 802, 928, 1322 (Kosher), 2284
Afternoon tea: 339, 404 (vegetarian), 480, 600 (VLML), 710 (including low lactose), 800, 882 (gluten free), 1281, 1322 (Kosher), 1673, 2679 (Kosher), 2792
Dinner: 563, 630 (VGML), 669 (Kosher Passover), 771 (VGML LCY) 799, 819 (AVML), 833 (May 2017 menu), 1283, 1287, 1674, 2446, 2616 (Kosher), 2793
Comments on difference between AVML and VLML here.
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Medium Band (e.g. Madrid, Nice, Prague, Copenhagen)
Breakfast: 645 (vegetarian), 724 (vegetarian), 1003
Brunch: 199 (VLML), 600 (VLML), 659 (Kosher Passover)
Lunch: 239 (child), 251, 425, 641, 733
Afternoon tea: 332 (also includes vegetarian), 426 (GFML), 813 (Muslim)
Dinner: 456, 551 (also includes VLML), 666, 1004,
1278
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Long Band (e.g. Lisbon, Rome, Warsaw, Stockholm).
Breakfast: 195 (vegetarian)
Rest of the day: 306 (LFML), 345, 427, 443, 468, 597, 676, 687, 695, 783 (VLML)
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NOT MAINTAINED AND OUT OF DATE: The complete Short Haul meal structure for the longer flights as of October 2017 is:
LHR
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
LGW
Meal 1: Thyme roasted chicken
Meal 2: Spicy corn and paneer masala
Meal 3: Thai Penang chicken curry
Meal 4: Roasted red pepper tortellini
Meal 5: Beef and mushroom caserole
Meal 6: Tomato and four cheeses tortellini
Structured into:
Rotation A
LHR outbound
Meal 3
Meal 4
inbound to LHR
Meal 5
Meal 6
Rotation B
LHR outbound
Meal 5
Meal 6
inbound to LHR
Meal 1
Meal 2
Rotation C
LHR outbound
Meal 1
Meal 2
inbound to LHR
Meal 3
Meal 4
===
October 2017 = Rotation C
November 2017 = Rotation A
December 2017 = Rotation B
January 2018 = Rotation C
etc
Club Europe catering guide
Jul 2, 2017, 3:57 am
#1171
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Helsinki
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 406
Starter
Beetroot carpaccio with herbed goat's cheese
Main
Smoked chicken breast with red pepper risotto and grilled courgette
or
Beef cheek with celery mash, turned vegetables and thyme jus
Dessert
Banana and milk chocolate hazelnut tower and Somerset Brie with quince jelly and oat cakes
These rotations may not work well in some cases as we had the exactly same menu week before on HEL-LHR flight (rotation B).
Last edited by teme; Jul 2, 2017 at 4:03 am
Jul 2, 2017, 4:09 am
#1172
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
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Posts: 63,799
Thanks for that, which indeed is how it works (Rot B inbound become Rot C outbound, and so on).
And for completeness the Long Rotation C inbound should be
- chicken supreme with potato gnocchi and ratatouille or
- miso glazed cod with wasabi mash and wok vegetables.
corrected, see post 1175:
- chicken khao soi
- salmon linguine
This is for LHR services.
And for completeness the Long Rotation C inbound should be
- miso glazed cod with wasabi mash and wok vegetables.
corrected, see post 1175:
- chicken khao soi
- salmon linguine
This is for LHR services.
Last edited by corporate-wage-slave; Jul 2, 2017 at 7:11 am
Jul 2, 2017, 5:02 am
#1173
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: UK
Programs: BAEC Gold, IHG Gold, Virgin FC Red
Posts: 626
Thanks for that, which indeed is how it works (Rot B inbound become Rot C outbound, and so on).
And for completeness the Long Rotation C inbound should be
- chicken supreme with potato gnocchi and ratatouille or
- miso glazed cod with wasabi mash and wok vegetables.
This is for LHR services.
And for completeness the Long Rotation C inbound should be
- chicken supreme with potato gnocchi and ratatouille or
- miso glazed cod with wasabi mash and wok vegetables.
This is for LHR services.
!So does Rot C inbound become Rot A outbound, and therefore the chefs notes for Rot A outbound will correspond to what we should see for the inbounds during July (a C month)?
Jul 2, 2017, 5:16 am
#1174
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: BAEC Gold, EK Skywards (enhanced Blue !), Oman Air Sindbad Gold
Posts: 6,399
Thanks for the considered response CWS (#1169 above)
The point about some battles being more worthy of a fight than others is certainly a valid one - as is the matter of cheap 'fixes'.
However ... all said & done, I believe that truly customer-centric organisations do much, much more than listen to selective feedback from a limited number of people with regular access to senior management. Effective cost control is without question a vital ingredient within the business mix, but what I personally see as the most disappointing aspect of our present-day BA - versus that of past times - is a corporate culture shaped largely by relentless focus on costs, and which manifests itself in a lack of innovation or consistency of quality.
A whole other debate of course, so I'd better stop there.
The point about some battles being more worthy of a fight than others is certainly a valid one - as is the matter of cheap 'fixes'.
However ... all said & done, I believe that truly customer-centric organisations do much, much more than listen to selective feedback from a limited number of people with regular access to senior management. Effective cost control is without question a vital ingredient within the business mix, but what I personally see as the most disappointing aspect of our present-day BA - versus that of past times - is a corporate culture shaped largely by relentless focus on costs, and which manifests itself in a lack of innovation or consistency of quality.
A whole other debate of course, so I'd better stop there.
Jul 2, 2017, 7:09 am
#1175
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,799
In other words, the complete LHR meal structure is:
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Hot smoked salmon linguine
Code:
Rotation A Rotation B Rotation C LHR outbound Meal 3 Meal 5 Meal 1 Meal 4 Meal 6 Meal 2 inbound to LHR Meal 5 Meal 1 Meal 3 Meal 6 Meal 2 Meal 4
August 2017 = Rotation A
September 2017 = Rotation B
October 2017 = Rotation C
and so on
Menus
- Rotation A menus (both directions)
- Rotation B outbound / inbound TBC
- Rotation C menu outbound TBC / inbound
Last edited by corporate-wage-slave; Jul 2, 2017 at 8:58 am
Jul 2, 2017, 7:37 am
#1176
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: UK
Programs: BAEC Gold, IHG Gold, Virgin FC Red
Posts: 626
Thanks, I'm sure that summary will be really useful to lots of people!
Jul 2, 2017, 8:45 am
#1177
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Helsinki
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 406
Actually, now that I've had a few more cups of coffee I have managed to get it sorted, and my earlier message was slightly wrong, so Rotation A inbound will be chicken khao soi and salmon linguine (see menus here).
In other words, the complete LHR meal structure is:
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Salmon linguine
July 2017 = Rotation A
August 2017 = Rotation B
September 2017 = Rotation C
October 2017 = Rotation A
and so on
Menus
- Rotation A menus (both directions)
- Rotation B outbound / inbound TBC
- Rotation C menu outbound TBC / inbound
In other words, the complete LHR meal structure is:
Meal 1: Chicken / red pepper risotto
Meal 2: Beef cheek
Meal 3: Chicken supreme / gnocchi
Meal 4: Miso glazed cod
Meal 5: Chicken khao soi
Meal 6: Salmon linguine
Code:
Rotation A Rotation B Rotation C LHR outbound Meal 1 Meal 5 Meal 3 Meal 2 Meal 6 Meal 4 inbound to LHR Meal 5 Meal 3 Meal 1 Meal 6 Meal 4 Meal 2
August 2017 = Rotation B
September 2017 = Rotation C
October 2017 = Rotation A
and so on
Menus
- Rotation A menus (both directions)
- Rotation B outbound / inbound TBC
- Rotation C menu outbound TBC / inbound
To add confusion, my July menu card states rotation C, not A as in your post (still meals 1 and 2 outbound). June rotation was B (inbound meals 1 and 2 as in your rotation C).
Jul 2, 2017, 8:48 am
#1178
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,799
Jul 2, 2017, 8:54 am
#1179
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Cumbria
Programs: BAEC GGL/CCR, Hilton Diamond, Starbucks Gold
Posts: 4,510
Once again CWS provides the info in a simple to follow format. However, link to rotation A menus are coming up as page not found. Missing an 'l' on HTML.
Jul 2, 2017, 8:58 am
#1180
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Posts: 63,799
Jul 2, 2017, 12:16 pm
#1181
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London
Programs: BA GGL, AA 1MM LT GLD, SPG PLAT, National Exec Selc, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Plat, Marriott Silver
Posts: 8,278
Unlike BA it's a three course meal on one tray rather than two but collectively more gets done more efficiently with most AA crews up front.
Jul 2, 2017, 12:31 pm
#1182
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 75
From yestarday July 1st LHR-HEL
Starter
Beetroot carpaccio with herbed goat's cheese
Main
Smoked chicken breast with red pepper risotto and grilled courgette
or
Beef cheek with celery mash, turned vegetables and thyme jus
Dessert
Banana and milk chocolate hazelnut tower and Somerset Brie with quince jelly and oat cakes
These rotations may not work well in some cases as we had the exactly same menu week before on HEL-LHR flight (rotation B).
Starter
Beetroot carpaccio with herbed goat's cheese
Main
Smoked chicken breast with red pepper risotto and grilled courgette
or
Beef cheek with celery mash, turned vegetables and thyme jus
Dessert
Banana and milk chocolate hazelnut tower and Somerset Brie with quince jelly and oat cakes
These rotations may not work well in some cases as we had the exactly same menu week before on HEL-LHR flight (rotation B).
Jul 7, 2017, 3:39 am
#1183
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Manchester, UK.
Programs: BAEC Silver, then a handful of points on everything else.
Posts: 185
Fish & Chips
Chish and Fips on ZRH-LCY earlier this week (05/07/17). I didn't get a photo of the menu, but I was impressed to see this as a choice. Whilst it was scalding hot, it wasn't hugely tasty, really needed a sachet of vinegar!
Jul 7, 2017, 3:58 am
#1184
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Location: Morbihan, France
Programs: Reine des Muccis de Pucci; Foreign Elitist (according to others)
Posts: 19,175
A change for sure, but knowing how those ovens work - I would be amazed if they didn't come out soggy as the steam would have killed any crispness.
Jul 7, 2017, 4:01 am
#1185
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Manchester, UK.
Programs: BAEC Silver, then a handful of points on everything else.
Posts: 185
[That was my second thought when I saw it on the menu -- how are they going to warm up crispy chips? They didn't, you're right.]