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** AA Domestic First on two cabin will earn business TPs and avios for departures on or after 11 January 2017 - see reference posts for more details **

** Note that the practice of AA Domestic 3-class service flights booking into A for 210 TPs when I was no longer available ceased in September 2017. Discussion here. **

Welcome to the thread. This is a continuation of the highly popular 2016 Tier Point thread. We keep track of other prices, as well as useful reference information for those planning tier point runs.

Please read the first few posts in this thread first as it contains lots of information which may answer your question.

This is a community-maintained wiki post. Please add important information to it or correct outdated information by clicking the "Edit" button below!

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Sale Fares

from AMS/RTM to US ILN4T7S6/INX6T7S6 reported in this post and this post, e.g. NYC - €1,461, ORD - €1,492, LAS - €1,460, needs to be booked by 25 September, see linked post for details
from PRG to US ILN4T8S6 reported in this post, e.g. IAD - £1,033, MIA - £1,133, ATL - £1,080, needs to be booked by 21 September, see linked post for details

Advanced Promotion Fares

from DUB to US ILN8C1S6 reported here, e.g. NYC - €1,472, MIA - €1,578, see linked post for details
froM DUB to US ILN8S4C1 reported here, e.g. JFK - €1,427, MIA - €1,532, LAS - €1,667, LAX - €1,795, HNL - €2,095, this is an advanced purchase fare so no book by deadline, see linked post for details
from OTP to PHX ILN8R4C1 reported here, e.g. PHX - £1,252, see linked post for details
from AMS to BKK INCEU60 reported here, e.g. BKK - £1,216, see linked post for details

See here in post # 8 for a 2017 archive of exEU sale fare, and see here in post # 445 for a 2016 archive of exEU sale fares.

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This thread lists attractive tier point (TP) runs under £3 per TP grouped within different (departure) geographies

Please note that current availability is not guaranteed and all prices include taxes. Please use the following convention when adding tier point runs to this wiki post:
Date fare checked Price per Tier Point Total Price Total Tier Points Route Booking Classes Booking Channel Credit Notes (if applicable) Airlines

Please remember to:

Convert currencies to GBP, rounding to the nearest pound.
Post full routes and full booking classes.
Note any restrictions on booking in the Notes section.
List in order of price per tier point within the relevant departure area.

Please see the links at the bottom of the wiki for archives of runs from previous years.

From Europe

24APR £0.90/TP £400 440 TLL-BA/AY-HEL-LON-GLA-KOI-ABZ ; TLL-BA/AY-HEL-LON-GLA-SDZ-ABZ (see post #1221)
02NOV £1.33/TP £583 440 LHR-HEL-TLL/TLL-HEL-LHR-NCL//NCL-LHR-HEL-TLL/TLL-HEL-LHR IIIIIIIIII Google Flights armouredant 2 nested tickets, both other a Saturday night. BA ticket, BA & AY metal, AY A350 possible LHR-HEL
08FEB £1.33/TP £346 260 JER-LGW-RAK-LGW-RAK I/I/I/I BA.com ramops
14AUG £1.65/TP £593 360 OSL-HEL-AGP-HEL-OSL I-I-I-I ITA Flythe96flag SH J cabin + possible red-eye (!) AY
26JUL £1.81/TP £72.70 40 MAD-FRA Z lan.com Prospero 787 flat bed LA
1JAN £1.85/TP £444 240 JER-LGW/LHR-HEL J/I/I/J ITA Matrix flatlander Available most weekends first half of 2016, fare IM0R
23NOV £1.89/TP £377 200 DUB-LHR-MAD-SVQ r/t I-I-I-I-I-I ITA Lorcancoyle IM0B IB DUB to SVQ BA and IB flights (I2 for domestic under IB code), random dates in December available, A340 on some dates (helpfully pointed out by Temps that domestic Spain is only 20 TPs)
24NOV £1.91/TP £765.00 400 BUD-DOH-SHJ I/A/I/A QR.com Wozza2404 A320 QR
11AUG £2.10/TP £420 200 AMS-LHR-GLA-LSI-ABZ-LSI-GLA-LHR-AMS I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I ITA Matrix --> Priceline.com MrMutton
13NOV £2.56/TP £410 160 LHR-HEL ? BA.com Lorcancoyle wide open as flight+hotel, can reduce with TCB cash back BA

From North, Central and South America
26Jan £1.50/TP £960 640 LGA-CMH-DCA-PHL-RDU-CLT-ATL-MIA-PTY and return I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I/I ITA Matrix--> BookWithMatrix dot com --> AA.com HPN-HRL other routings available; reverse routing is £40 more - see post 388 AA
10MAY £2.50/TP £203 80 ORF-CLT-ORD I/I AA.com
21MAY £2.08/TP £250 120 YYZ-PHL/LGA-CLT-ORF/PHF I/I/I AA.com
22NOV £1.43/TP £172 120 DCA-(LGA/BOS/PHL)-CLT-RDU (one way, reverse works as well) I/I/I ITA->BWM->priceline.com

From Middle East, Asia and Australasia
23Feb £0.99/TP £356 360 TPE-xKUL-PEN(JHB)-xKUL-TPE Z http://www.malaysiaairlines.com ermen two day min stay, promo fare MH
04JAN £1.10/TP £44 40 KUL-PEN D http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/uk/en.html fitch Works in both directions, rtn £80 if you can make the timnings work MH
11Nov £0.85/TP £307 360 TPE-KUL-SIN-KUL-TPE Z http://www.malaysiaairlines.com neofung

From Africa

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Need a year-end TP run (ex-LON) to make / retain status?
Some tips for searching for the year-end TP run for newcomers, the below is indicative only, but hopefully provides a bit of guidance for relatively straightforward runs ex-LON. The guide to using ITA matrix in post #4 (see here) along with these ideas, might come in handy. Feel free to share results, problems or general questions in the thread as these may not always work and there might be better deals out there...

For overnight trips remember to check BA and Iberia for their flights and hotel option as well, can get hotel for almost no extra cost at times

Need 80 TPs or fewer
Club Europe return somewhere close by is best - DUB, AMS and JER usually cheapest. AMS and JER easier than DUB for an immediate turnaround. The BA.com low fare finder can be very useful.

If you need as few as 45 TPs you might consider booking economy flights and hoping for a proactive online upgrade offer - but they're not guaranteed to materialise (so not one if you have no more time left in your TP collection year). Alternatively, booking a return to one of the 40 tier point destinations with one way in CE and the return in ET (or vice versa if cheaper). Bilbao, Jersey and Amsterdam seems the most cost effective for this.

Need 85-120 TPs
Iberia flights via MAD to regional Spanish airports will get you 120 TPs as the domestic Spanish flights are 20 TPs in business. Under £300 including hotel can be available. Check BIO, GRX, VLC, BCN, SVQ etc. Example here

Need 125-160 TPs
Take a look at the shorthaul plus routes earning 80 TPs each way in business listed in the first post (here) MLA, IST, HEL and RAK are usually available. If time sensitive take a look at BA flight and hotel option to HEL, where you can usually get the last BA flight out on a Saturday, airport hotel and first return Sunday for well under £500.

Alternative options include positioning to JER and flying JER-LGW-XXX (AMS usually works well and avoids switching airports)

Need more than 160 TPs
You'll most likely be heading north then - OSL or VNO via HEL will get you 240 TPs, as will JER-LGW/LHR-HEL e.g. LHR-HEL-OSL for £520. Also the BA fare for LHR-HEL-TLL at ~£235 is still available and would get 200 TPs for a return.

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2015 Archive (6 months Jul to Dec)
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May 21, 2017, 11:12 am

#1921

Pilot37

Join Date: Jul 2015

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossmacd

For any intrepid TP runner, DUB-HNL is currently not a bad price (not anywhere near the £900 price we saw a few years ago!).

Book by 22nd May - Fare: ILN8S4C1

Routing via LON bumps the fare over MPM, but still ok for TPs gained

DUB-LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR-DUB - £1,546 - 920 TPs - £1.68/TP

Hat tip to the Premium Fares thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premi...l#post28340732

Also available to MIA, SFO, LAX and no doubt others. Book quickly.

I'm sure @KARFA can made one of his nice fare information guides

Just to remind those looking at HNL over the New Year period, AA will have 1 LAX>HNL flight via B777 from Dec 15th and one PHX>HNL rotation will move to an A333 rotation from the same time if you want some additional comfort on the final leg to HNL.

Pilot37

May 21, 2017, 11:25 am

#1922

rossmacd

Join Date: Jan 2010

Posts: 7,464

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilot37

Indeed, could be included something like this. Although, personally, I would not sacrifice a flatbed on the PHX-JFK sector and would route back via LAX to ensure A321T. (Unless, of course, AA decides to continue shuttling its summer A330 between PHX-PHL which would make the PHX option much more interesting!).

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May 22, 2017, 2:50 am

#1923

KARFA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossmacd

For any intrepid TP runner, DUB-HNL is currently not a bad price (not anywhere near the £900 price we saw a few years ago!).

Book by 22nd May - Fare: ILN8S4C1

Having a look this morning. Oddly ILN8S4C1 is the fare code currently used as the advanced purchase DUB-US fare already listed in the wiki. However, as you spotted AA's equivalent has a ticket by date now.

Looking at EF there are two fares DUB-US;

ILN4S4Z1 - AA/BA versions, covers only this summer

e.g. price DUB-NYC base fare £865 not including taxes/fees/surcharges

BA & AA versions have same conditions

Quote:

PERMITTED 25 JUN 17 THROUGH 22 AUG 17 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.

Quote:

CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.

Quote:

TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

Quote:

STOPOVERS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

Quote:

TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 26 MAY 17.

Code:

CANCELLATIONS
   
     ANY TIME
       TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          FARE COMPONENT IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
          ----------------------------------------------
          WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGERS
          TRAVELLING COMPANIONS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
          REFUNDABLE FARES
          1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT IS REFUNDED.
          2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
          CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
          COMPONENTS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
          THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
          IMPOSED CHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          ----------------------------------------------
          REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
          ----------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          ----------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
          ----------------------------------------------
          -------CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS------
          FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
          FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
          AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
          CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
          REFUND.
          FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
          ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
          THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
          ORIGINAL.
          PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
          USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.
   
   CHANGES
   
     ANY TIME
       CHARGE EUR 300.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TICKETS CHANGED IN THE US
          ANY PENALTY FEE MUST BE COLLECTED VIA AN EMD.
          REFER TO SPEEDBIRDCLUB.COM OR BATRAVELTRADE.COM
          AND YOUR GDS FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION - PER PERSON FOR
          ALL PASSENGER TYPES.
          INFANTS WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/BOOKING CODE
          CHANGE. NEW RESERVATION AND REISSUE/REVALIDATION
          MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
          --------------------------------------------------
          REISSUE MUST BE MADE THE SAME DAY AS CHANGE OF
          RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
          TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
          OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
          REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
          WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
          --------------------------------------------------
           --- REPRICING CONDITIONS ---
          A. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THE FIRST
          FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
          B. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGES ARE
          TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
          AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED -
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
          CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER
          FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
          BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
          THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          1. IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW TICKET MAY
          BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND MUST
          COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING
          APPLIED.
          2. IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
          TICKET MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND
          MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE
          BEING APPLIED.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
          DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ANY APPLICABLE
          CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
          THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES AND NO CREDIT OF THE
          RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          NO-SHOWS FOR A FLIGHT ARE CONSIDERED A
          CANCELLATION AFTER DEPARTURE AND CHANGES ARE NOT
          PERMITTED.
          --------------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.

ILN8S4C1 - AA/BA versions

e.g. price DUB-NYC base fare £865 not including taxes/fees/surcharges

BA & AA versions - see existing link in wiki

May 22, 2017, 7:23 am

#1924

wonderman

Join Date: Jan 2013

Posts: 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by KARFA

Code:

CANCELLATIONS
   
     ANY TIME
       TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          FARE COMPONENT IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
          ----------------------------------------------
          WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGERS
          TRAVELLING COMPANIONS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
          REFUNDABLE FARES
          1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT IS REFUNDED.
          2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
          CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
          COMPONENTS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
          THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
          IMPOSED CHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          ----------------------------------------------
          REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
          ----------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          ----------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
          ----------------------------------------------
          -------CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS------
          FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
          FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
          AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
          CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
          REFUND.
          FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
          ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
          THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
          ORIGINAL.
          PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
          USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.
   
   CHANGES
   
     ANY TIME
       CHARGE EUR 300.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TICKETS CHANGED IN THE US
          ANY PENALTY FEE MUST BE COLLECTED VIA AN EMD.
          REFER TO SPEEDBIRDCLUB.COM OR BATRAVELTRADE.COM
          AND YOUR GDS FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION - PER PERSON FOR
          ALL PASSENGER TYPES.
          INFANTS WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/BOOKING CODE
          CHANGE. NEW RESERVATION AND REISSUE/REVALIDATION
          MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
          --------------------------------------------------
          REISSUE MUST BE MADE THE SAME DAY AS CHANGE OF
          RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
          TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
          OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
          REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
          WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
          --------------------------------------------------
           --- REPRICING CONDITIONS ---
          A. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THE FIRST
          FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
          B. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGES ARE
          TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
          AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED -
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
          CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER
          FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
          BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
          THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          1. IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW TICKET MAY
          BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND MUST
          COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING
          APPLIED.
          2. IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
          TICKET MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND
          MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE
          BEING APPLIED.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
          DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ANY APPLICABLE
          CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
          THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES AND NO CREDIT OF THE
          RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          NO-SHOWS FOR A FLIGHT ARE CONSIDERED A
          CANCELLATION AFTER DEPARTURE AND CHANGES ARE NOT
          PERMITTED.
          --------------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.

ILN8S4C1 - AA/BA versions

e.g. price DUB-NYC base fare £865 not including taxes/fees/surcharges

BA & AA versions - see existing link in wiki

Can squeeze another 80TP's out of that with a Domestic connection EG through MAN.

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May 22, 2017, 7:35 am

#1925

rossmacd

Join Date: Jan 2010

Posts: 7,464

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderman

Can squeeze another 80TP's out of that with a Domestic connection EG through MAN.

You can actually stretch it to 600 TPs for DUB-NYC, but I'm not sure if many would be interested in something like this (not particularly well optimised for connections):

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May 22, 2017, 7:50 am

#1926

billinghamn

Join Date: Mar 2008

Location: North West, UK

Programs: BA GfL (GGL/CCR), Hilton Diamond

Posts: 1,998

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misco60

I just took the plunge and booked this for Easter 2018.

OTP-LHR-HEL // HEL-LHR-BOS-PHX // PHX-PHL-LHR-HEL // HEL-LHR-OTP

Easily bookable on aa.com with very comfortable flight and connection times, 1,040 TPs for just under £1,500 (£1.44 per TP).

(Edit: Just noticed I gave the wrong routing - for the sake of others who might want to do the same, I am returning via PHL, not JFK, because the connection time was more relaxed and I was able to fly on AA metal).

I've rung the GGL line and asked them to price up this itinerary. They have found the flights and are using fare basis ILN8R4C1 but are quoting a higher fare (by just over £200) because they say the routing exceeds the MPM. Apparently the fare basis rule states that the MPM is 7753? Note that I can't find any evidence of a MPM in the fare basis rules on ExpertFlyer.

Anyone else come across this problem? Why would it price directly on aa.com if that was the case?

May 22, 2017, 8:00 am

#1927

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billinghamn

Looking on EF I can see the MPM as 7753. I don't understand either why it would price on aa.com but not with BA.

AA filed ILN8R4C1

Code:

/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 7753
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
       TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 550 MILES APPLIES
       WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW AND/OR RDU AND/OR 
       MIA AND/OR CLT

BA filed ILN8R4C1

Code:

/VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 7753
MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES BETWEEN ORIGIN AND DESTINATION
 MILEAGE SYSTEM APPLIES ORIGIN TO DESTINATION
       TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 550 MILES APPLIES
       WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA DFW OR CHI OR MIA OR NYC OR 
       RDU

May 22, 2017, 8:12 am

#1928

wonderman

Join Date: Jan 2013

Posts: 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by rossmacd

You can actually stretch it to 600 TPs for DUB-NYC, but I'm not sure if many would be interested in something like this (not particularly well optimised for connections):

Incredible work

May 22, 2017, 8:15 am

#1929

Calchas

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Join Date: Mar 2013

Location: London

Posts: 17,007

Quote:

Originally Posted by billinghamn

You can find the MPM in the fare routing table (not the fare rules) on ExpertFlyer. It's the button next to the fare rules button.

If AA.com gives a better price, book there and ask questions later.

May 22, 2017, 8:18 am

#1930

Smid

Join Date: Sep 2010

Location: Wolverhampton

Programs: BA Silver, Hilton Diamond, Marriot Gold, Radisson Gold, Amex Platinum

Posts: 1,604

Seen DUB-PHL-LAS and back for £1169 around christmas for those who want a seasonal vegas...

Lose 80TPs but gain ~£100 routing direct to PHL on AA ex Dublin, DUB-PHL-LAX-HNL and back, £1428.

Last edited by Smid; May 22, 2017 at 11:35 am

May 22, 2017, 11:17 am

#1931

zoqfotpik

Join Date: Nov 2014

Location: Somewhere

Posts: 1,178

Good TP run if you happen to be in the US.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/prem...pap-369-a.html

May 22, 2017, 12:45 pm

#1932

Ned1968

Join Date: Aug 2014

Programs: BA Executive Club and OnBusiness

Posts: 717

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoqfotpik

Good TP run if you happen to be in the US.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/prem...pap-369-a.html

Interesting find Zoqfotpik

440 TPs possible for £299 = 67p per TP. Haven't seen anything that good for quite a while. Great for anyone extremely brave (Haiti!) based in or around Seattle. E.g.:

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May 22, 2017, 12:47 pm

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I wonder if PAP is the new PTY.

May 22, 2017, 12:55 pm

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Originally Posted by KARFA

I wonder if PAP is the new PTY.

Just checked to see if PHX-JFK-PAP could be done in conjunction with an OTP-PHX run - cheapest seems to be £2,380 (2 nights in June)! AA must want people from Seattle to go to Haiti....

May 22, 2017, 1:06 pm

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Originally Posted by KARFA

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CANCELLATIONS
   
     ANY TIME
       TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          FARE COMPONENT IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
          ----------------------------------------------
          WAIVED FOR DEATH OF A PASSENGER AND PASSENGERS
          TRAVELLING COMPANIONS.
          ----------------------------------------------
          WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
          REFUNDABLE FARES
          1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT IS REFUNDED.
          2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          3. WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
          CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
          COMPONENTS.
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          REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
          THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
          IMPOSED CHARGES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          ----------------------------------------------
          REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY.
          ----------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          ----------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
          ----------------------------------------------
          -------CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS------
          FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
          FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
          AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
          CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
          REFUND.
          FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY BE REPRICED USING
          ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN PROVIDED
          THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN
          ORIGINAL.
          PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
          USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.
   
   CHANGES
   
     ANY TIME
       CHARGE EUR 300.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TICKETS CHANGED IN THE US
          ANY PENALTY FEE MUST BE COLLECTED VIA AN EMD.
          REFER TO SPEEDBIRDCLUB.COM OR BATRAVELTRADE.COM
          AND YOUR GDS FOR INSTRUCTIONS.
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          CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION - PER PERSON FOR
          ALL PASSENGER TYPES.
          INFANTS WITHOUT A SEAT - NO CHARGE.
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          A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/BOOKING CODE
          CHANGE. NEW RESERVATION AND REISSUE/REVALIDATION
          MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
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          REISSUE MUST BE MADE THE SAME DAY AS CHANGE OF
          RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
          TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
          OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
          REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
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          WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
          WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
          --------------------------------------------------
           --- REPRICING CONDITIONS ---
          A. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THE FIRST
          FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
          B. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGES ARE
          TO BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT
          AND RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED -
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          C. BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
          CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER
          FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          D. AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
          BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
          THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          1. IF SAME BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW TICKET MAY
          BE LOWER - EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND MUST
          COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE BEING
          APPLIED.
          2. IF A DIFFERENT BOOKING CLASS IS USED NEW
          TICKET MAY BE EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS AND
          MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE
          BEING APPLIED.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
          DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ANY APPLICABLE
          CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
          --------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
          THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES AND NO CREDIT OF THE
          RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          --------------------------------------------------
          NO-SHOWS FOR A FLIGHT ARE CONSIDERED A
          CANCELLATION AFTER DEPARTURE AND CHANGES ARE NOT
          PERMITTED.
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          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.

ILN8S4C1 - AA/BA versions

e.g. price DUB-NYC base fare £865 not including taxes/fees/surcharges

BA & AA versions - see existing link in wiki

Given that this expires today but the ticket by date is the 26th, If I was to put it on hold for a day or two whilst I work out work holidays would they still honour it or will it expire and reprice tonight even with it on hold?

Thanks

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