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Pro-active Online Upgrade (POUG) tracking and discussion | 2017/18 thread

Pro-active Online Upgrade (POUG) tracking and discussion | 2017/18 thread

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2017 POUG rate tracker

Please add your own successful results to the follow list including the month/year when the POUG was offered to you. Please delete any figures from 2017 or earlier if you have a 2018 price. Previous data lives on via post 2.

UPDATED TO: Post #418

POUGs are offered via BA.com and the App Manage My Booking via a distinctive banner (example from MMB below). You cannot get a POUG by telephoning, however the service centres can complete a POUG which falls over mid transaction. They are offered on cash and Avios redemptions but typically not on complex routings, BA Holidays or travel agency bookings until OLCI stage. POUGs on Avios redemptions won't get you additional TPs/Avios, but they will on revenue tickets.



Short haul routes from LON to/from Europe
A price in pounds indicates a ticket issued from London, other currencies indicate prices for tickets issued overseas (e.g. singles or returns originating from CDG priced in Euros). Multiple prices indicate a range of fares are on offer. Note that LCY prices currently seem to be on a different basis to LGW and LHR (cheaper, in other words).
  • ABZ - 65 (to and from LHR, Mar 2017)
  • ACE -119 (to LGW, Nov 2016)
  • AGP 79 (Feb 2016, LCY), 99 (Oct 2018, ex-LGW) 119 (To LGW, July 2017)
  • AMS - 89 (Apr 2017/Nov 2017) ex LHR, 79 from LGW (Feb 2017), 69 for LCY-AMS (May 2017), 79 for LCY-AMS (Dec 2018),69 for AMS-LCY (May 2017, June 2017), 79 for LCY-AMS (May), 79 for LHR-AMS (Oct 2018)
  • ANE - 69 (Mar 2016) ex LCY
  • ARN - 129 ex-LHR (July 2018), 129 ex-ARN (Aug 2018)
  • ATH - 149 - both ways (Jun 2017)
  • BCN 109 from LGW (Feb 2016) 89 from LGW (May2017), 119 from LHR (Apr 2017), 140 (to LHR, Dec 2015), 89 (to LGW, May 2017), 89 (LGW-BCN/BCN-LGW Aug 2017)
  • BDS - 60 (March 2017)
  • BGO - 79 (Dec 2015)
  • BHD - 69 (Feb 2018), 69 (out and back LHR Jun, Aug and Oct 2018)
  • BLL - 69 (to LHR, Jul 2017)
  • BLQ - 69 (to LHR, Jun 2017), 89 (each way, Dec 2017)
  • BOD - 49 (Aug 2017
  • BRI - 60 (March 2017)
  • BRU - 129 (Jan 2016), 130 (Dec 2016) 89 (To LHR, May 2017)
  • BSL - 109 (to LHR, Jan 2017) CHF 190 (Feb 2016), CHF 169 (Dec 2018)
  • BUD - 149 (to LHR, Nov 2018), GBP149 (to BUD, December 2017)
  • CDG - 85 (Jan 2017), 115 (to LHR, Sep 2016), 109 (to LHR, May 2017)
  • CGN - 89 (to LGW, Aug 2018)
  • CHQ - 245 (Dec 2016)
  • CMF -
  • CPH - 109 (Jun 2017), 129 (to LHR, Jan 2017)
  • CTA - 89 (Jun 2017) 109 (to LGW, Jan 2017)
  • DBV - 89 LGW (Nov 2015)
  • DUB - 119 (to LHR, Feb 2017), 69 (to LHR, June 2017), 69 (out and back from LHR - Aug 2017), 89 (to LCY Aug 2018 on HBO fare), 99 (to Dublin from LHR Aug 2018 on HBO fare) 89 (Oct 2018)
  • DUS - 69 (to/from LHR, May 2018)) 79 (to LCY, Jul 2017) 155 (to LHR, Mar 2017)
  • EDI - 65 (Jan 2018 - from LGW), 70 (From LGW, Feb 2018), 60 (to LCY, May 2018), 70 (from LGW, May 2018), 69 (to LHR, June 2018), 59 (to LCY, Jul 2018), 69 (from LHR, Aug 2018)
  • FAO - 119 (to LGW, Jul 2017)
  • FCO - 139 (from LHR, Apr 2017), 89 (from LGW, Aug 2018)
  • FLR - 89 (Nov 2018)
  • FRA - 69 (to LCY Apr 2018) 49 (Oct 2017) / 49 and 50 (Aug 2017) /49 (to LHR, Aug 2017), 109/145 (to LHR, Jan 2017/Feb 2017) / 79 (to LCY, Jul 2016). 59 to LHR (May 2017), 109 (from LHR, Aug 2018)
  • GIB - 149 (Oct 2018), 149 (to LHR Oct 2019)
  • GLA - 65 (to LHR, Mar 2017)
  • GOT 109 (Dec 2018)
  • GVA - 129 (May 2017) 79 (Mar 2017), 89 (to LGW, Jan 2017) 129 (to LHR, May 2017), CHF99 (to LCY, Dec 2017), 139 (From LHR May 2018)
  • HAJ - 90 (Jan 2017) 99 (to LHR, Jun 2017) 109 (July 2018)
  • HAM - 69 (to LHR, April 2017) 79/69 (from LHR, April/June 2017)
  • HEL 120 (Apr 2017) (from/to LHR 169, April 2018) 159 (August 2018)
  • IBZ - 69 both ways (June 2016)
  • INN 79 to INN, 89 to LHR (Feb 2018)
  • INV 65 (Apr 2017), 79 (Jan 2018)
  • IST - 149 (Jun 2017), 109 (To LHR, Jul 2017), $169 (to LHR December 2018)
  • JER - 79 (Jan 2017), 79 (to LGW, Jul 2017)
  • JMK - 239 (from LHR Jun 2018), 239 (to LHR July 2018)
  • KBP - 179 (Jul 2017)
  • KEF - 169 (Apr 2017). Note system offered 239 but contact centre staff got the cost down!
  • LBA 59 (both ways, Aug 2017)
  • LCA 219 (to LHR, Feb 2017)
  • LED - 189 (Oct 2015)
  • LIN 129 (Feb 2018) (To and From LHR), 129 (May 2018 for Sep), 119 (Jan 2019 from LCY)
  • LIG - 79 both ways (including Eastern operated in one direction) June 2018
  • LIS 145 (Jan 2017) 85 (to LGW, Feb 2017) 139 (from LHR Nov 2018)
  • LPA - 199 (Dec 2017)
  • LUX -139 (Nov 2016), 105 (to LUX, Jan 2017), 59 (each way, Mar 2018)
  • LYS - 120 (Dec 2016), 89 (March 2018), 89 (Nov 2018)
  • MAD - 89 MAD-LCY (Feb 2016), 79 LCY-MAD (Jan 2017), 159 LHR-MAD (Apr 2018). 169 LHR-MAD (Mar 2018), 159 MAD-LHR both ways from HBO Y (Oct 2018)
  • MAH - 129 (Jul 2017)
  • MAN - 59 (October 2018) offered in both directions. Same price from LCY (Dec 2018 - both directions)
  • MLA - 119 (Aug 2018)
  • MPL - 130 (Mar 2017)
  • MUC - 119 (Feb 2018)
  • MJV - 70 (Nov 2016 from HBO, also Feb 2017 same price).
  • MRS - 119 (ex-LHR, May 2018). 89 (Jul 2017), 109 (to LHR, Nov 2016 HBO, Weekend Daytrip ex LHR)
  • MXP - 149 (from/to LHR April 2018) 129 (Jun 2017)/ 109 (to LHR, Feb 2017) 99 (To LHR, Aug 2017)
  • NCE - 138 (May 2017), 125/149; 89 (to LHR, May 2017), 149 (from STN, Apr 2017) 89 (from LGW, May 2017, again June 2018) 69 (to LCY, May 2017)
  • NCL - 59 (from/to LHR, Aug 2018)
  • NTE - 80 (Mar 2017)
  • ORY - 85, 89, 119 (Jan 2017)
  • OSL - 129 (Apr 2017) 159 (To LHR, Apr 2017) 124 (NOK1379, OSL->LHR, Dec 2017), 129 (to OSL, Jan 2018 for May), 129 (May 2018 for Aug)
  • OTP - 129 (Nov 2018) usually 202-239,
  • PFO - 119 (Sep 2015)
  • PMI - 205 (Mar 2016, LHR), 69 (from LCY, Jul 2017)
  • PRG - 119 (Nov 2018)
  • PSA - 170 (Apr 2017)
  • PUY - 119 (Apr 2017)
  • RAK - 99 ( May 2018, from LGW) 99 ( Oct 2018, to LGW), 99 (Nov 2018 LHR-RAK)
  • RTM -
  • SOF - 149 (Jun 2017), 185 (to LHR, Feb 2017),
  • STR - 70 (Feb 2017) 115/99 (to LHR, Jan 2017/Feb 2017) 109 (Either way Nov 2018)
  • SVG - 99 / NOK 720 (Dec 2015),
  • SZG -
  • TFS 139 (to LGW, Mar 2017)
  • TIA
  • TLL - 60 (Mar 2017), 79 (Aug 2017 for Nov)
  • TRN - 109 (to LGW Feb 2017)
  • TXL 120 (to LHR, Feb 2017), 129 (Feb 2018, ex-LHR), 129 (from LHR, Sept 2017), 129 (to LHR, March 2018 for April)
  • UIP -
  • VCE - 89 (Mar 2017), 109 (to LGW, Feb 2016), 119 ex-LHR (Apr 2018)
  • VIE 110 (Feb 2017) 159 (to LHR, May 2017) 129 (to LHR, April 2018) 129 (to LHR, from a Basic fare, Sept 2018)
  • VRN - 109 (Jul 2017)
  • WAW - 115 (Jan2017) / 475 PLN (79) (Oct 2015) 109/139 (To LHR, Jun 2017)
  • ZAG - 130 ZAG-LHR Nov 2015
  • ZRH 119 (To LHR, Jun 2017), 131 (Jan 2017) / 69 (from LCY Jan 2016) 69 (LCY July 2017), CHF189/148 (To LHR, May 2018, Dec 2018)
  • ZTH - 135 (March 2017)


Long haul routes from LON to North America
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
  • AUS - WTP $229 (Nov 2015), CW 473 (Feb 2015)
  • BOS - WTP 198 (Jul 2017), CW 352 ex-BOS (Jan 2018), CW 352 ex-LHR (Jan 2018)
  • BWI - WTP $248 to BWI / WTP $256 to LHR (Mar 2017), CW $306 to LHR (Jan 2018)
  • DFW - CW $850/380 (Feb 2017/Mar 2017) 525 (Apr 2017)
  • EWR - WTP $256 (Jan 2016) see also JFK
  • JFK WTP 279 (Oct 2018) and then down to 238 (Nov 2018) CW 359 (Jul 2017) see also EWR
  • IAD WTP 190 / 216 (Feb 2017), 269 (Nov 2017) CW $525 (Jul 2017) WTP $171 (May 2018 on an Avios booking)
  • LAS WTP 198 (Aug 2015) CW 416 from WT (Apr 2017)
  • LAX - WTP 195 (Aug 2017), WTP 269 (June 2018)CW 540 (Feb 2015)
  • MEX - WTP 235 (Jan 2017),CW 468 (Jan 2017). F 447 (Oct 2014)
  • MIA - WTP 160 (Aug 2017), CW 420 (Jan 2017)
  • OAK - CW 464 ex LGW (Feb 2018) and 508 (Oct 2018)
  • ORD - CW 473 (Nov 2015)
  • PHL - CW $551/$379 (Apr/May 2017), CW 525 (Feb 2016) F 575 (Feb 2017) CW 330 (Oct 2018)
  • PHX- CW $1,080 (May 2017)
  • SFO WTP $310 (Nov 2015), CW $552 (offered Aug, for Dec 2017)
  • SFO - CW $799 (offered Sep 2018 for Oct 2018)
  • SJC - CW $900 (Mar 2017)
  • YUL CW 549 (Mar 2017)
  • YVR - WTP 209 (Jun 2017), CW 595 (Jan 2017), CW 441 (Aug 2018)
  • YYZ - WTP 168 (Aug 2016), CW 549/449 (May 2017)
  • SEA - WTP $288 (Mar 2018)

Long haul routes from LON to South America and the Caribbean

(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
  • BGI -WTP 180 (Oct 2016)

Long haul routes from LON to Asia
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
  • BKK - WTP 229 / 240 (Aug 2016), CW 549 (Aug 2016)
  • BOM WTP 249 (May 2018)
  • BLR CW 350 (Sep 2017)
  • DEL WTP 189 (Jan 2017), CW 352 (May 2018)
  • HKG - WTP 165/270 (Mar 2017), CW 486 (Jan, Apr 2017), CW 629 (Seo 2017), CW 820 (June 2018)
  • ICN - WTP 152 (Sep 2016)
  • KUL - F 649 (Feb 2016)
  • NRT - WTP 207 (Apr 2015)
  • PEK - WTP 165 (Apr 2016)
  • PVG WTP 200 (Mar 2017), CW 460 (Mar 2017)
  • SIN - to LHR - CW 495 (Apr 2017)

Long haul routes from LON to Australia and Oceania
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
  • LHR-SYD WTP 159 (Apr 2015)

Long haul routes from LON to Africa and Middle East
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
  • AUH WTP 105 (Feb 2017) CW 425 (Jan 2017)
  • CAI - WTP 109/155 (May 2017) CW 399 (from WT, Jan 2017)
  • CPT WTP 92 (Apr 2016)
  • DXB WTP 119/153 (Jul 2017) CW 425 (Feb 2017) WTP 127 (Aug 2017)
  • JNB - WTP 229 (Feb 2016), CW 540 (Jan 2017), CW 510 (Feb 2017)
  • KWI WTP 100 (to LHR, Aug2017)
  • MCT - CW 450 (March 2017), CW 522 (Sept 2017)
  • RAK - CE 99 (Dec 2015)
  • TLV - WTP 118 (May 2017) WTP 150 (April 2018)
  • TLV - CW 120 (Sept 2015)


Long haul routes to LON
(price shown from lower cabin to mentioned cabin, e.g. WTP means price to POUG from WT to WTP):
  • AUH WTP 129 (May 2017); CW 425 (May 2017) WT - WTP 161 (Dec 2018), WTP - CW 161 (Dec 2018
  • BGI - WTP 199 (Oct 2016)
  • BKK - CW 399 (Jul 2017)
  • BOS - WTP $189 (Apr 2015), CW $680 (Mar 2016), F $850 then $763 (Nov 2015)
  • BOM - CW 499 (July 2016), CW to F INR 46,665, approx. GBP 530 (29-Jun-18 for 30-Jun-18 1.45am departure)
  • DEL - WTP 209 (Jan 2017)
  • DEN- CW 473 (May 2017
  • DFW - WTP 255 (May 2017) CW $680 (to LHR, Mar 2017)
  • DME - WTP 145 (Apr 2016)
  • DXB WTP 109 (Jun 2017), CW 350/425 (Mar 2017) WTP 150 (Aug 2017)
  • EWR - CW 473 (Sep 2016) see also JFK
  • GIG CW 399 (Aug 2016), F 447 (Jan 2015)
  • HKG WTP 161 (Jan 2015)/ HK$2700 (Mar 2017)
  • HKG - CW 599 (Mar 2015 for travel in April, also offered for May 2016), CW 540 (Jan 2017) CW 697 (May 2018)
  • IAD - CW $780 (Jul 2017) CW 540/485 (Feb/Mar 2017)
  • IAH - WTP 209 (June 2017), CW $850 (June 2017)
  • JFK WTP 157/270 (Jan/Apr 2017), WTP $279 (Mar 2017), CW 296/315 (Aug 2017) F 525 (May 2017), F $999 (Jan 2016) see also EWR, CW 501 (Dec 18)
  • JNB - CW 599 (Feb 2017)
  • KWI - WTP 226 (Oct 2018)
  • LAX - WTP 184, CW 599 (Apr 2016)
  • MCT - CW 450 (Mar 2017)
  • MCO - WTP 170 (Mar 2016) WTP 160 (Sept 2017)
  • MEX - CW 447 (Apr 2016)
  • MSY - CW 549 (Apr 2017)
  • MIA - WTP 176 (Nov 2015, CW 420 (Jan 2017)
  • NBO - CW 518 (Jan 2018)
  • OAK - CW 480 (Feb 2018) and 508 (Oct 2018)
  • ORD - WTP 189 (Feb 2016), CW 473 (Nov 2015) increased to 525 in 4 hours.
  • PEK - WTP 198 (Apr 2016), CW 549 (Aug 2015)
  • PHL- CW $579 (Apr 2017)
  • PHX - CW $765 (Feb 2017)
  • SCL - CW 425 (Apr 2017)
  • SEA - WTP 207 (Feb 2016)
  • SFO WTP $310 (Nov 2015), $950/970 (Jan 2017), CW 477 (Nov 2017)
  • SFO - F $950, then $855, then back to $950 two days before dep (Feb 2017)
  • SFO - CW: $631 (Feb 2018 flight)
  • SFO - WTP to CW $738 (6/22/18 flight)
  • SIN WTP 198 (Feb 2017), CW 495 (Jun 2017) WTP - 198 (Jan 2017)
  • SJC - CW 809 (Feb 2017) CW $1,046 (Jun 2017)
  • TLV - WTP 127-136 Jan 2017) $240 (Jun 2016)
  • YUL - WTP 180 (Jun 2016) CW 449 (Mar 2017)
  • YYC - WTP 189 (Aug 2016)
  • YYZ - WTP 189 (July 2016), CW C$723 (Nov 2015), F 499 (Mar 2017)
  • YVR - WTP 209 (Jun 2017)/C$459 (Aug 2017), CW 425 (Mar 2017), F C$900 (Mar 2016)
  • SEA - WTP $319 (Mar 2018)

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Old Jun 3, 18, 2:21 pm
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JFK>LHR W to J. Offered after Id flown the outbound segment, 4 days before my return. 531
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Old Jun 4, 18, 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by angeloedades View Post
BA 1426 LHR BHD
for travel on 29/05/2018
69
as of 28/05/2018

BA 1419 BHD LHR
for travel on 30/05/2018
69
as of 28/05/2018

Booked via TA.
... I've just had the same offer, and accepted, through the app. What's interesting is this was a corporate TA booking, and I've never previously managed a POUG on one of these online. Usually involves a call -- and often an awful lot of waiting on hold. If this is now standard I'm delighted.
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Old Jun 6, 18, 2:38 pm
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I couldn't see in the original post, but is there any rhyme or reason to when these get offered, and a way to find out the likelihood?
I was meant to be going to VCE next week, but had to cancel it (yay travel insurance) as I had an operation and I'm not recovered yet. I booked that back in December or so, and got a POUG to CE which I took.
I've booked a new flight for September (a week or so ago- annoyingly more expensive) but no offer yet... so then I wonder...

Does the fact I accepted one before mean I'm more likely to get one again?
Does the fact I looked at the full cost upgrade price (but didn't pay it) in MMB mark me as "might upgrade" so I am more likely to get one?
I assume flight loads come into it somehow? If it's looking quiet up front they're more likely to offer it?

Or is it all black-box and no one knows...?
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Old Jun 6, 18, 3:01 pm
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Some recent experiences EDI-LON ; traveling with partner on separate bookings on same flights last weekend.

Her via BA.com: EDI-LCY offered 60 a couple of weeks before flight - taken for TPs and Row 1 on E170. LGW-EDI offered 70 approx a week before flight - ignored.
Me booked via work TA: EDI-LCY offered 60 approx 3 days before flight - taken for TPs and FOMO factor :-). LGW-EDI offered 70 at check-in - ignored.

Also have an offer of 69 sitting on an EDI-LHR that appeared approx 3 days after booking - still considering whether this is worth it or not...

Have updated the Wiki for these.
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Old Jun 6, 18, 8:50 pm
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Is POUG based on a specific fare class availability? MMB offers me two seats (WTP>CW) for SIN-LHR on 12/6 but both callcenters could not see the availability in their system. Flight is currently J9 C9 D9 R9 I0
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Old Jun 7, 18, 8:32 am
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LHR-FCO 119 from a hbo ET fare into CE. The equipment is a 767... wondering if it is worth it
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Old Jun 10, 18, 2:23 pm
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LHR - LAX 269 WT-WTP June 2018. Wiki updated.
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Old Jun 10, 18, 2:35 pm
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A few data points for ET to CE

LGW-AMS and AMS-LCY both 69 each way

LHR-MAD and back both 159 each way

The MAD legs were booked on possibly the cheapest far bucket (paid roughly 88 return) took the return leg on the 777 which should give me the 40TPs extra i need to retain gold as well as being ridiculously cheaper than booking a straight CE fare.
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Old Jun 18, 18, 6:30 pm
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MAN/LHR 59 each way.

This is on a cheap 90 same day return fare booked in G one week in advance. I’d previously called to change into N fare class so that I could UuA. Was looking at 60 plus additional 26 taxes and then 8000 abios. Alternative, BA.com were trying to suggest an upgrade for just 466!

Took the upgrade on the return as want the TPs. The extra space and opportunity for a drink or two are also welcome.
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Old Jun 18, 18, 8:53 pm
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OAK-LGW WTP-CW 504. Overnight flight, departing 3:15pm, arriving 9:40am. Time for dinner, decent sleep, then breakfast, and one window seat with direct aisle access was still available. 50 additional tier points. Had to be accepted and was
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Old Jun 20, 18, 10:58 am
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129 LHR to ARN from a HBO ticket. Appeared 6 days before travel.
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Old Jun 22, 18, 8:47 am
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SFO to LHR - $738 for 6/22 Friday flight; WTP to CW. Appeared about 5 days before departure. Added to wiki
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Old Jun 29, 18, 11:24 am
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BOM-LHR overnight flight INR 46,665 Club World to First offered
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Old Jun 29, 18, 11:33 am
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GLA-LHR 69 Jul 2018
LHR-ZRH 149 each way Saturday July 2018
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Old Jul 4, 18, 4:19 am
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LGW-YYZ from WTP to CW it has been jumping around a lot highest 369, just hit a new low of 325.
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