Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Nov 1, 2017, 2:03 pm
#3452
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,915
Do you think there is any mileage in BA cabin crew refusing to serve in the J and F cabins?
Nov 1, 2017, 2:43 pm
#3454
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Argentina
Posts: 40,196
I am entirely with you about this. Us Trotskyists/anarchists are a minority on this forum and I for one welcome your attitude. Disruption focuses the public mind on the inequalities in society and leads to greater understanding and certain revolution. We all know what was going on one hundred years ago today (well, at least if you listen to Radio 4) and with people like us CIHY we will succeed.
Do you think there is any mileage in BA cabin crew refusing to serve in the J and F cabins?
Do you think there is any mileage in BA cabin crew refusing to serve in the J and F cabins?
Nov 1, 2017, 3:40 pm
#3455
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,915
I do rather like Argentina because of the steak. You once said that the best steak you ever had was in London in a Aberdeen Angus Steakhouse so I don’t think you’ve grown to enjoy the produce of your adopted country. I’d do better!
Today on Radio 4 farmers programme they were discussing haggis which apparently is made with processed protein rather than meat. They can’t use lung in some countries but substitute.....ah, I had to clean my teeth so didn’t catch that bit.
Today on Radio 4 farmers programme they were discussing haggis which apparently is made with processed protein rather than meat. They can’t use lung in some countries but substitute.....ah, I had to clean my teeth so didn’t catch that bit.
Nov 1, 2017, 4:37 pm
#3456
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,596
I do rather like Argentina because of the steak. You once said that the best steak you ever had was in London in a Aberdeen Angus Steakhouse so I don’t think you’ve grown to enjoy the produce of your adopted country. I’d do better!
Today on Radio 4 farmers programme they were discussing haggis which apparently is made with processed protein rather than meat. They can’t use lung in some countries but substitute.....ah, I had to clean my teeth so didn’t catch that bit.
Today on Radio 4 farmers programme they were discussing haggis which apparently is made with processed protein rather than meat. They can’t use lung in some countries but substitute.....ah, I had to clean my teeth so didn’t catch that bit.
Nov 1, 2017, 4:47 pm
#3457
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: London
Posts: 489
BA are on track to make a 21% operating margin. Seems reasonable to pay what you promised. Even if they did close it, the opportunistic valuation and cash grab of making it into a not final salary pension is sufficient to cause anger enough to warrant IA. Of course weasel wording of "were the promised it contractually" basically sums up all that is wrong with the modern business world. Management trying to screw employees while feathering their own nests. What justification for ANY business man to earn more that the PM? To argue they have more responsibility is self serving at best.
and I thInk you'll find a good deal of pilots earning more than the PM . Maybe they should ask for their salaries to be rebalanced
Nov 2, 2017, 1:45 am
#3458
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,060
do you not at least admit there is a problem, and quite a sizeable one? The first solution can't just be "let's go on strike". A company shouldn't exist to service its pension obligations - other employees not in the DB scheme may call you selfish for putting the company at risk (either financially or from a competitive position).
and I thInk you'll find a good deal of pilots earning more than the PM . Maybe they should ask for their salaries to be rebalanced
and I thInk you'll find a good deal of pilots earning more than the PM . Maybe they should ask for their salaries to be rebalanced
Nov 2, 2017, 2:28 am
#3459
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Provincie Antwerpen, Vlaanderen, België
Programs: MUCCI Gold
Posts: 2,512
do you not at least admit there is a problem, and quite a sizeable one? The first solution can't just be "let's go on strike". A company shouldn't exist to service its pension obligations - other employees not in the DB scheme may call you selfish for putting the company at risk (either financially or from a competitive position).
and I thInk you'll find a good deal of pilots earning more than the PM . Maybe they should ask for their salaries to be rebalanced
and I thInk you'll find a good deal of pilots earning more than the PM . Maybe they should ask for their salaries to be rebalanced
Short of BA going bust, they're on the hook for this and there is no argument.
Nov 2, 2017, 3:15 am
#3460
Ambassador, British Airways; FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Leeds, UK
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, GfL, HH Diamond
Posts: 42,865
DB schemes are entirely possible to run and fund properly if the company is willing to do so. I happen to work for a FTSE 100 company with a DB scheme that it is committed to continuing. It is open to future contributions from existing members and open to new members joining.
Nov 2, 2017, 3:54 am
#3461
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Manchester but from Yorkshire better known as Gods country
Programs: BA Gold, , Sandals plat
Posts: 839
If you seriously p**s off your customers you’ll have no airline left that’s worth working for.
As for MD’s earning more than the prime minister grow up. Do you the the owners of the ME3 pay theirselves low salaries. We live in a cut throat capitalist society. Pension scheme have suffered globally and most companies have had to alter or close final salaries schemes. And finally for the staff looking to harm BA, please remember most pension schemes invest heavily in the stock market and therefore any movement on IAG’s share price could be hurting someone else’s pension.
Nov 2, 2017, 4:32 am
#3462
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,060
For our younger readers in the 70’and 80’s this was the mantra of the British car industry with constant strikes or a who cares attitude and look where that went.
If you seriously p**s off your customers you’ll have no airline left that’s worth working for.
As for MD’s earning more than the prime minister grow up. Do you the the owners of the ME3 pay theirselves low salaries. We live in a cut throat capitalist society. Pension scheme have suffered globally and most companies have had to alter or close final salaries schemes. And finally for the staff looking to harm BA, please remember most pension schemes invest heavily in the stock market and therefore any movement on IAG’s share price could be hurting someone else’s pension.
If you seriously p**s off your customers you’ll have no airline left that’s worth working for.
As for MD’s earning more than the prime minister grow up. Do you the the owners of the ME3 pay theirselves low salaries. We live in a cut throat capitalist society. Pension scheme have suffered globally and most companies have had to alter or close final salaries schemes. And finally for the staff looking to harm BA, please remember most pension schemes invest heavily in the stock market and therefore any movement on IAG’s share price could be hurting someone else’s pension.
MDs or others earning more than the PM merely tells you a tale of corporate greed and or, if you want it the othe4 way, underpaid PMs. But don’t tr6 to justify it with greate levels of responsibility or fiscal managent, the responsibility of the UKs PM to look after 70million voters and the fiscal responsibility of a G7 countr6 far outstrips any CEO. You can decide who is over/underpaid, and that extends to ME3 or any other global company, corporate greed has allowed the disparity between them and political leaders in financial reward terms to grow ridiculously wide, they do it because they can not because it is fair remuneration got their work.
Nov 2, 2017, 5:28 am
#3463
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Folks, we are very rapidly moving off topic here in many different directions.
For those who wish to discuss BA's changing pension arrangements, we have a thread here:
BA seeks to close NAPS pension scheme
For those who wish to discuss the relative merit of salaries in the UK and Middle East, or make comparisons between the worth of world leaders and pilots, we have OMNI/PR.
This is about the MF strike, nothing more. Let's stick to the topic please.
/mod
For those who wish to discuss BA's changing pension arrangements, we have a thread here:
BA seeks to close NAPS pension scheme
For those who wish to discuss the relative merit of salaries in the UK and Middle East, or make comparisons between the worth of world leaders and pilots, we have OMNI/PR.
This is about the MF strike, nothing more. Let's stick to the topic please.
/mod
