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Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
#2791
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Honestly, I don't believe I know anyone who thinks either that BA sells super cheap tickets and therefore has poor customers, or that working as cabin crew on any airline in 2017 is exceptionally well paid.
Perhaps my sample of the general population is radically different to yours.
#2792
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: BA GOLD
Posts: 600
BA501 today Lisbon - Heathrow - boarding absolutely shocking, usual bus to aircraft. No on-board greeting from crew. no checking of boarding passes - in fact no sign of crew until safety demo.
Row 7F (back of CE) stood up, texted her friend at the back in ET and then up she came with her huge overhead locker bag and promptly sat down in the free 7D stating very loudly that she had a full empty row at the back. The crew did not challenge this in anyway and she enjoyed the full CE service to LHR and then promptly left her friend to transfer with us to T5 whilst aforesaid friend went to baggage claim.
Aircraft absolutely scruffy but on the "brighter side" at least it operated.
Row 7F (back of CE) stood up, texted her friend at the back in ET and then up she came with her huge overhead locker bag and promptly sat down in the free 7D stating very loudly that she had a full empty row at the back. The crew did not challenge this in anyway and she enjoyed the full CE service to LHR and then promptly left her friend to transfer with us to T5 whilst aforesaid friend went to baggage claim.
Aircraft absolutely scruffy but on the "brighter side" at least it operated.
#2793
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: US Air, UA BA LH AI DELTA MARRIOTT CHOICE SGP
Posts: 9,882
There can be multiple interpretations of what we all say......rather than guessing & misinterpreting , perhaps you can tell us what is " odd" and "If indeed it is your first post ".
#2795
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Leeds, UK
Programs: BA GGL/CCR, GfL, HH Diamond
Posts: 42,698
#2796
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: London
Posts: 6,265
I've been looking at some domestic flights this weekend, and some appear to be operated by Qatar (but no official notification - just lack of 'M&S food sold onboard' when you check the flight details.
However, all are sold out. What is going on?
However, all are sold out. What is going on?
#2797
Join Date: Jun 2008
Programs: Various memberships
Posts: 532
Back from OSL on the last BA flight on Monday in Y.
One of the Qatar wet leases.
Crew were great even if they seemed a bit bemused by the whole situation.
Flight was showing as no seats available when I tried to book the day before (but some availability on the earlier 1700ish flight) but we had a few empty seats.
Food served (warm mushroom pastry and a mini Danish) as well as drinks.
Several very bemused passengers who asked repeatedly if they were on the right plane and if it was going to London.
No mention prior to getting to the gate that it was a Qatar plane.
Sorry if this duplicates other posts - not read the whole thread and on my phone.
I suspect no seats were available due to the lower number of seats which could have pushed them into a risk of being oversold if a few flex ticket passengers wanted to change flights.
TE
One of the Qatar wet leases.
Crew were great even if they seemed a bit bemused by the whole situation.
Flight was showing as no seats available when I tried to book the day before (but some availability on the earlier 1700ish flight) but we had a few empty seats.
Food served (warm mushroom pastry and a mini Danish) as well as drinks.
Several very bemused passengers who asked repeatedly if they were on the right plane and if it was going to London.
No mention prior to getting to the gate that it was a Qatar plane.
Sorry if this duplicates other posts - not read the whole thread and on my phone.
I suspect no seats were available due to the lower number of seats which could have pushed them into a risk of being oversold if a few flex ticket passengers wanted to change flights.
TE
#2798
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,888
I don't think that's true.
Honestly, I don't believe I know anyone who thinks either that BA sells super cheap tickets and therefore has poor customers, or that working as cabin crew on any airline in 2017 is exceptionally well paid.
Perhaps my sample of the general population is radically different to yours.
Honestly, I don't believe I know anyone who thinks either that BA sells super cheap tickets and therefore has poor customers, or that working as cabin crew on any airline in 2017 is exceptionally well paid.
Perhaps my sample of the general population is radically different to yours.
#2799
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: US Air, UA BA LH AI DELTA MARRIOTT CHOICE SGP
Posts: 9,882
Wow ! That is one eye opening figure. Let me make sure I understand, you are speaking of CABIN crew, (CSD & flight attendants), does not include the pilots etc in the cockpit.
#2800
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Join Date: May 2014
Location: UK
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 12,173
I knew a CSD back in 2009 on just under 60k (she told me that was highest band or whatever they called it) I can't believe any cabin crew have had another 10k in the last 10 years based in BA's performance around pay.
#2801
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Arizona
Programs: BA (GGL G4L), AA (Gold), HH (Diamond); Marriott (Gold)
Posts: 3,011
And really 70,000 for someone based in London with 20 years of experience in a leadership role is hardly an extravagant salary.
#2802
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Location: UK
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 12,173
The CSDs I used to know in my former life in hotels were based predominantly in the West Country, Scotland, France and even Italy. Hence why they stayed in hotels on standby / before / after duty.
#2803
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: US Air, UA BA LH AI DELTA MARRIOTT CHOICE SGP
Posts: 9,882
There are people in California who commute 3 hours one way for a lot less......
#2804
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Aberdeenshire
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 153
Could Unite mess BA about by calling a strike?
Let BA get everything in place (wet Leases etc)
Then at the last minute postpone the strike leaving BA with no need for the aircraft they have leased.
Let BA get everything in place (wet Leases etc)
Then at the last minute postpone the strike leaving BA with no need for the aircraft they have leased.