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cme17 Nov 6, 16 7:20 am


Originally Posted by Skipcool3 (Post 27443497)
Any information as to when this will happen?

I have row 1 booked on domestics for next year - suppose I should try and see if the emergency exits are free!

layz Nov 6, 16 7:26 am

I'd like to know the date too, I have a domestic booked in late January where I'm seated in row 1 and would like to know if there's a chance it could change. I'd be happy if they offered those who booked domestics before this announcement to upgrade without change fee should we want to.

I did get a call from customer relations after submitting a contact form asking if they could confirm CE would be retaining the dedicated menu and they said it would (although they also said there'd be no CE on domestics).

Skipcool3 Nov 6, 16 10:41 am

I always understood that the BA aircraft had a flexible cabin so that the number of rows of club could be altered and to allow the aircraft to be used on domestics with no middle seat free... all the way from row one.
We are now told that DOmestic services are having CE.
Humour me. Is there any point having a middle seat AT ALL in the first few rows now if that is the case? Why equip the middle seat with a seat belt etc? It would save weight and allow for wider seats in the first three rows or so?
Or would this just cause a bun fight for aggrieved CE passngers in row 4 and onwards??!!!!
Thoughts?
I suppose a sensible date to introduce CE on Domestics would be BOB roll out day, but all a bit too much too soon?

Calchas Nov 6, 16 10:51 am


Originally Posted by Skipcool3 (Post 27444493)
Is there any point having a middle seat AT ALL in the first few rows now if that is the case? Why equip the middle seat with a seat belt etc? It would save weight and allow for wider seats in the first three rows or so?
Or would this just cause a bun fight for aggrieved CE passngers in row 4 and onwards??!!!!

It would introduce inconsistency and complexity ... I think it'll just be left as it is.

destere Nov 6, 16 10:58 am


Originally Posted by Skipcool3 (Post 27444493)
I always understood that the BA aircraft had a flexible cabin so that the number of rows of club could be altered and to allow the aircraft to be used on domestics with no middle seat free... all the way from row one.
We are now told that DOmestic services are having CE.
Humour me. Is there any point having a middle seat AT ALL in the first few rows now if that is the case? Why equip the middle seat with a seat belt etc? It would save weight and allow for wider seats in the first three rows or so?
Or would this just cause a bun fight for aggrieved CE passngers in row 4 and onwards??!!!!
Thoughts?
I suppose a sensible date to introduce CE on Domestics would be BOB roll out day, but all a bit too much too soon?

BA has a flexible cabin for... well, flexibility. They also run a handful of bucket and spade charters here and there. I don't think it's worth getting bothered about...

Rami Tamimi Nov 7, 16 2:35 am


Originally Posted by destere (Post 27444556)
BA has a flexible cabin for... well, flexibility. They also run a handful of bucket and spade charters here and there. I don't think it's worth getting bothered about...

I have read on here that CE can not be smaller than 3 rows and even if there are too few CE pax and ET is overbooked,BA would op up those ET pax,rather than moving the curtain by 1 or 2 rows?

GLABA Nov 7, 16 2:44 am


Originally Posted by hcuk94 (Post 27439611)
Funny, a year ago I wouldn't have dreamt of not flying BA to Scotland. Now I'm enjoying trying all the different ways I can get there.

Let us know when you try the Megabus sleeper :D

tigertanaka Nov 7, 16 2:55 am


Originally Posted by Rami Tamimi (Post 27447180)
I have read on here that CE can not be smaller than 3 rows and even if there are too few CE pax and ET is overbooked,BA would op up those ET pax,rather than moving the curtain by 1 or 2 rows?

I think this is correct. Looking through my log, I have never been in the first 3 rows in ET and only once in row 4 (LHR-BLQ).

UKTony Nov 7, 16 3:56 am

A320 there is a notice front of row 3 that the curtain must not be positioned there. This effectively means that the minimum is 3 rows - I'm assuming so the crew can see the engines etc during take off and landing.

:D! Nov 7, 16 4:30 am

What about the Embraers, I think I've been in Row 3 in ET even when CE was empty - but if ET had been over/fully booked, what would have happened?

Rami Tamimi Nov 7, 16 4:32 am


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 27447381)
What about the Embraers, I think I've been in Row 3 in ET even when CE was empty - but if ET had been over/fully booked, what would have happened?

Probably they would "upgrade" you to CE :D

henners Nov 7, 16 4:47 am


Originally Posted by Rami Tamimi (Post 27447383)
Probably they would "upgrade" you to CE :D

Indeed - and it's not just that CE needs to be a minimal size: there are row boundaries higher than row 3 where a divider isn't allowed and would trigger upgrades in the oversold Y case.

They can be much more ad hoc than mainline shorthaul, however: I've had regular upgrades out of LCY where it's been indiscernible from J; on a couple of occasions some sort of hybrid ET/CE service with J drinks and service but Y food; once a sort of shaming exercise where the cabin crew loudly said I was an upgrade and so had to have my drink out of a plastic cup!

opalfruit Nov 7, 16 4:52 am


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 27447381)
What about the Embraers, I think I've been in Row 3 in ET even when CE was empty - but if ET had been over/fully booked, what would have happened?

I'm reasonably sure I've been on an E170 back from FRA one time where I was the only pax in a single-row CE cabin.

bradders81 Nov 7, 16 4:56 am

Whilst on the phone to the Gold line this morning I queried my MAN>LHR>MIA itinerary in Feb/March. As there are three of us currently on Row 1 (my three year old son is in the 'E' seat and on a separate yet linked booking) for the MAN>LHR leg I asked about when the switch is happening.

The agent was pretty adamant that as it's only gone to the shareholders, it's unlikely to come in in Q1 2017. Surely it has to chime in with the arrival of BoB as others have said. Nothing like planning eh?

Calchas Nov 7, 16 5:22 am


Originally Posted by bradders81 (Post 27447434)
The agent was pretty adamant that as it's only gone to the shareholders, it's unlikely to come in in Q1 2017.

In principle it could be done almost overnight:
Everyone booked in the J/C/D/R/I bucket is considered in business class.
Create the right-sized cabins on all flights according to the existing algorithm for CE.
Reseat all pax appropriately, using the existing curtain change algorithm.
Deal with any oversells following the capacity reduction using existing algorithm.
Crew follow band 1 protocols that they already know (?)
Update the fare tariffs if desired (J/C/D/R/I fares are already loaded, just need to be re-described as business class)
Some cosmetic changes to ba.com
Give a briefing to the outstation staff on how to move the curtains
Increase catering orders

Anything else? :)

I estimate at least a year :p


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