Originally Posted by simons1
(Post 27439653)
In theory it makes sense. In practice I wonder if it really will be 80TP. 8 CE returns to Manchester = silver - that might not be what BA is trying to achieve in terms in lounge usage etc.
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Originally Posted by gms
(Post 27439761)
I keep seeing people speculating that it won't be 80TP for CE on domestic routes for various reasons. So you suggest that BA will not want people to earn status buying CE fares on domestic routes, even though they are quite happy for people to earn status buying the sames fares on shorter routes to JER, CDG, AMS, etc. :confused:
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I wonder whether full fare Economy will still be classed as Business UK?
Unless they intend for there to be lots of rows of CE on Domestic (with the consequent reduction in capacity of losing the middle seat) that's a lot of people losing lounge access who previously flew on full fare Economy. Many companies won't pay for a true business class in the UK and Biz UK was a good way to con the accounts department into paying a business class amount for an economy seat. When BMI had business class the full fare J and full fare Y fares were the same - only the tax made the difference. So BA could do the same. Full fare CE and Full Fare Y same price - Full Fare Y gets lounge access but BOB? |
Originally Posted by simons1
(Post 27439823)
Yes. Or that there will be some other tweaking of TPs on shorter routes nearer the time.
At present all CE flights offer lounge access, checked luggage, 2x2 seating, full food and beverage service. They also all offer double the full economy entitlement to TPs and 50% avios cabin bonus. What you are suggesting would lead to an inconsistent product. Previously band 4 and over 1200 mile flights were different due to more substantial catering and double TPs. But the same was true of Y. With the move to BoB catering, Band 4 CE catering is pretty much Band 3 with a menu. TP earning remains the same. In other words BA has acted to ensure that the CE différence to ET remains consistent. My final point would be why would BA introduce reduced TPs for DOM (and band 1)? I am sure there are some who believe BA are changing things just to punish or inconvenience their passengers. Others (me included) see BA are making sensible changes based on rational decision-making which will not adversely affect the attractiveness of their products. Current financial results seem to bear that out. Why then introduce full CE? Because after introduction of BOB, the DOM offer will be unattractive as a connecting flight or to a well-healed market that will pay a premium for short distance business class flights. Why mess with that? I can get JER return for £200 and earn 80TPs. MAN is going to be about the same I guess. Why not make the TPs the same. Only ardent FTers fly to places they don't need to and if additional TPs encourage an upsell to CE, BA would welcome that. The lounge problem was more about overly generous discounted Y earning, not CE. Why do you think all CE flights continue to earn the same regardless of fare bucket? |
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but how would CE work on a domestic?
120 people on a morning EDI-LHR flight won't get on the plane if there's a good % wanting CE. Only for those with specific connections? |
Well there will be 12 extra seats at least.....
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Originally Posted by simons1
(Post 27439823)
Yes. Or that there will be some other tweaking of TPs on shorter routes nearer the time.
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Originally Posted by gms
(Post 27440415)
OK. But you still haven't explained your logic as to why BA would do this now, given that they have operated other shorter routes for many years without any question of varying TPs for those routes.
Still at this stage it is all speculation really. |
Originally Posted by edi-traveller
(Post 27439852)
I wonder whether full fare Economy will still be classed as Business UK?
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New BA becomes more like old BMI (BMI introduced BoB, domestic Business seats :) )
Instead of copying the service standards of defunct airlines: Customers would probably prefer BA to emulate TK (Turkish Business Class), ER (Emirates First Suites), QR (Facilities and Al Mourjan Lounge) or even VS (Virgin Atlantic amenities). :) |
Originally Posted by xenole
(Post 27440391)
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but how would CE work on a domestic?
120 people on a morning EDI-LHR flight won't get on the plane if there's a good % wanting CE. Only for those with specific connections? What actually will happen is that on peak services then DUT will be upgrading some ET passengers so that the ET cabin will be filled up - just as happens now elsewhere in Europe. |
I would expect they do the same as for domestic routes on peninsular Spain operated by IB, where Business Class earns 20TP. However, this would also mean that Eco earnings will be cut by half (10TP for flex i.e. YBH, 5TP for the other fare classes).
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Originally Posted by xenole
(Post 27440391)
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but how would CE work on a domestic?
The reason I presume this is that they called it "Club Europe". If they were proposing to offer a different service to the rest of the CE routes, my view is that it would have been announced differently, like "improvements to Business UK" or "Club UK". If there is a fall in passenger capacity that is acceptable if the average fare paid rises. And with discount CE fares being above discount Y fares that's fine.
Originally Posted by FrancisA
(Post 27440060)
My final point would be why would BA introduce reduced TPs for DOM (and band 1)?
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Originally Posted by xenole
(Post 27440391)
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but how would CE work on a domestic?
120 people on a morning EDI-LHR flight won't get on the plane if there's a good % wanting CE. Only for those with specific connections? |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 27440589)
I agree with your argument in general. The only reason I would expect fewer tier points is that within continental Spain and on business UK the tier points are already 50% of normal. So there is no inconsistency in extending that approach. But tier points are cheap to give away so there is no skin of BA's back to give out some points.
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