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Club Europe to be introduced on UK domestic flights [launches 01 April 2017]

Club Europe to be introduced on UK domestic flights [launches 01 April 2017]

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Club Europe and EuroTraveller will be launched on UK domestic routes on 01 April 2017.

What does this mean for those of us with existing bookings for travel from April onwards?
  • If your ticket was booked into J, C, D, R, I, or U fare classes, you will travel in the CE cabin and will enjoy lounge access plus the usual fast track benefits and special meal options that come with CE.
  • If your ticket was booked into the Y bucket, you will be rebooked for free into J (Club Europe) and the above benefits will apply. This should happen automatically well in advance of travel. If your ticket was not issued by BA, you should contact the issuing airline to make sure this change is properly processed.
  • If your ticket was booked into B, H, K, M, L, V, N, Q, O, S, G fare classes, you will travel in the ET cabin and all elements of the airport and cabin experience will the same as before.
  • If your ticket was booked into the X fare bucket (economy class redemption), then you will travel in the ET cabin above. However, if this was part of a longhaul club or first ticket, it may be possible to be rebooked for free into the U (Club Europe) bucket. You will have to call BA to accomplish this change.

Earning Avios and Tier Points
  • Q, O, and G class will earn 125 Avios and 5 TP per sector (no change)
  • K, L, M, N, S, and V class will earn 250 Avios and 10 TP per sector (no change)
  • Y*, B, and H class will earn 500 Avios and 20 TP per sector (no change)
  • R and I class will earn 750 Avios and 40 TP per sector
  • J, C, and D class will earn 1250 Avios and 40 TP per sector.
* Existing Y class bookings are expected to be moved to J and will earn the higher Avios rate.

Spending Avios
  • X will be the redemption class for EuroTraveller
  • U will be the redemption class for Club Europe
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK View Post
I would actually be very surprised if there is any change to the TPs earned in CE. I expect domestics to earn in exactly the same way as other European routes with all CE fares earning 40TPs and all economy earning 20, 10 or 5 according to fare bucket.
Although Iberia and their domestic business product pay 20 IIRC.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
I just wouldn't have expected it - not that it won't happen of course. BA don't seem to be in a 'giving' mood atm.

EDIT: just to add as noted in #204 this change is prompted by connecting F & J passengers who are otherwise being asked to pay for BoB, not because anyone feels sold short on TPs on domestic flight.
Absolutely agree on the catalyst for CE in DOM, but this also fits with Cruz's investor day presentation comments about improving premium offer.

That means a two strand approach - make Y more LCC-like, but genuinely enhance the Club offer so that it is substantially better. Offering fewer TPs in a way that is inconsistent with the rest of the CE brand seems to go against that strategy.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:37 am
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I see many people seeing this as a BA attempt to finally improve service, i just see it as further capacity control aimed at increasing yield on high demand routes although am glad it will end up improving service for those who use it.

For the rest it aims to increase fares and reduce award availability and i personally also expect the free domestic connection to long haul award seats to be removed sooner rather than later 'out of fairness'.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:45 am
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Amusingly, I have a U booking (will now be CE if HFP is correct) that I already got some avios compensation on because it was booked pre-BoB. Now looks like I'll get my free G&T as well!

While I'm generally lukewarm on the CE product, I do think it's quite sufficient for a 1 hour hop. I will appreciate being seated closer to the door, avoiding the BoB faff, and having confidence that I won't be playing elbow-wars with someone when connecting from a long journey. Domestic CE is definitely good news as far as I'm concerned.

Whether I'll pay for it routinely will obviously depend on the pricing!
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by HIDDY View Post
I wonder if IB J passengers have been getting free service when they connect to/from domestic flights?
IB domestic J is quite pleasant.

Or do you mean IB pax connecting to UK domestic?
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by HIDDY View Post
I wonder if IB J passengers have been getting free service when they connect to/from domestic flights?
All IB services have J - even the tiniest Air Nostrum aircraft.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by PeacefulWaters View Post
Although Iberia and their domestic business product pay 20 IIRC.
Correct, except for the Canary Islands.

Perhaps we could see JER moving to 20 TPs?
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Old Feb 17, 17, 10:00 am
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Interesting that those booked into full Y class will be treated as J. I suppose this follows from the fact that Y was formerly a Business UK bucket priced at the same rate as the full J fare.

Still it now means that Y is a J class fare bucket.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 10:26 am
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According to MMB, our domestic (connecting F) redemption class is X and not U.

Presumably this means we will be in Economy? We are travelling on April 19th, so would be nice for the couple we are travelling with (first time F for them ) to see domestic CE as well.

While I don't mind, I do think that for a F redemption it's a bit weak having to BoB, especially when our European counterparts book into CE on CW/F redemptions.

Should I call up BA on April 2nd?
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Old Feb 17, 17, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by csdavidson View Post
According to MMB, our domestic (connecting F) redemption class is X and not U.

Presumably this means we will be in Economy? We are travelling on April 19th, so would be nice for the couple we are travelling with (first time F for them ) to see domestic CE as well.

While I don't mind, I do think that for a F redemption it's a bit weak having to BoB, especially when our European counterparts book into CE on CW/F redemptions.

Should I call up BA on April 2nd?
The problem was that the U bucket (redemption business) does not yet exist on domestic flights. Instead redemptions booked into X (redemption economy).

I would wait for the bucket to appear and then phone up with your complaint. You may find that BA agrees with you.

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Old Feb 17, 17, 10:37 am
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We have an upgraded wtp to CW which is booked into J and a CW redemption which has booked into U for the Ncl-Lhr sectors. Added bonus for our trip.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK View Post
I would actually be very surprised if there is any change to the TPs earned in CE. I expect domestics to earn in exactly the same way as other European routes with all CE fares earning 40TPs and all economy earning 20, 10 or 5 according to fare bucket.
FWIW, there are already BA domestic flights with a Club cabin (and I don't mean JER). These earn 40/20/10/5 like Club Europe does.

The domestics that earn 20/10/5/5 are not BA flights.

Also, BA UK domestic flights already earn xx/20/10/5 (if xx denotes the notional Club cabin that does not currently exist). If BA were to make BA UK domestic Club earn only 20 TPs, then that would imply one of only two rational scenarios: either the new earning structure would be 20/20/10/5 (which would be a novel structure) or it would be 20/10/5/5 (and would incur the wrath of those whose economy TPs were being cut).

Is that really likely? Pepertual doom-mongering aside, there doesn't seem to be much logic in doing either when there is already precedent for BA domestics to earn in the same structure as other BA short-haul, and when a difference in structure between BA UK domestic and BA non-UK domestic would shine a harsh spotlight on the former.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 10:54 am
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Any idea what this means for UK-LHR-XXX WTP bookings? Will they continue booking in to J or is it down the back for us now ahah.
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Old Feb 17, 17, 11:26 am
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Any idea what this means for UK-LHR-XXX WTP bookings? Will they continue booking in to J or is it down the back for us now ahah.
I would assume (or maybe hope is a better word) that they would continue to be treated as Business UK and book into J so we'd be in front of the curtain
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Old Feb 17, 17, 11:28 am
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I've an INV-LHR on the 1st April when this launches. It's still showing 3x3 throughout the cabin -

Will inform FT if it's very different or not -
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