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LGW & LHR selected 777s go 10-abreast (3-4-3) in Y 2018 onwards

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Configurations (with links to FlyerTalk's seatmaps, where available):

777-200ER


32J 48W 252Y (code 77S)
32J 52W 252Y (code 77T)
14F 48J 40W 134Y (code 77R)
48J 40W 184Y (New Club Suite)
(code 77L)
8F 49J 40W 138Y (New Club Suite) (code 77M)

777-300ER

8F 76J 40W 130Y (New Club Suite) (code 77H)

Updated 777 aircraft now in service:

LGW Based Aircraft:

Completed:


G-VIIX - 08 March 2018
G-VIIR - 20 April 2018
G-VIIO - 23 May 2018
G-VIIP - 25 June 2018
G-VIIT - 07 October 2018
G-VIIU - 07 November 2018

G-VIIV - 25 January 2019
G-VIIW - 02 April 2019

G-YMMC - 15 May 2019
G-VIIY - 04 June 2019
G-YMMF - 03 October 2019
G-YMMD - 01 November 2019
G-YMMB - 20 November 2019
G-YMME - 14 December 2019

In Progress:

None

Planned:

G-YMMA - TBC (currently based at LHR)
G-YMMR - March 2021 (currently based at LHR)
G-YMMS - April 2021 (currently based at LHR)

LHR Based Aircraft:

Completed:

G-RAES - 08 October 2019
G-VIIL - 31 January 2020
G-VIIK - 02 March 2020
G-VIIM - 20 March 2020

G-VIIN - 14 April 2020
G-VIIB - 25 April 2020
G-VIIF - 15 June 2020
G-VIIS - 12 July 2020
G-VIIC - 8 September 2020

G-STBM - 1 October 2020

G-YMMI - 8 October 2020
G-VIIG - 28 October 2020
G-STBN - 5 October 2020

G-VIIE - TBC (stored at CWL)
G-STBO - 6 January 2021
G-STBP - 8 January 2021


In Progress:

G-VIID - TBC (originally planned for July 2020)
G-YMMN - TBC (originally planned for May 2021 - currently 4-class)

Planned:
G-VIIA - TBC (originally planned for April 2020)
G-YMMG - TBC (originally planned for September 2020 - all seats except in the First cabin removed in May 2020 to increase cargo carrying capacity)
G-STBA - TBC (originally planned for October 2020)
G-YMMK - TBC (originally planned for October 2020 - all seats except in the First cabin removed in May 2020 to increase cargo carrying capacity)
G-STBD - TBC (originally planned for November 2020)
G-STBE - TBC (originally planned for December 2020)
G-YMMO - TBC (originally planned for December 2020 - currently 4-class)
G-STBF - January 2021
G-STBL - February 2021
G-YMMJ - February 2021 (currently 4-class)
G-STBB - March 2021
G-STBI - April 2021
G-STBH - May 2021
G-STBJ - May 2021
G-VIIJ - May 2021
G-VIIH - June 2021
G-STBK - June 2021
G-YMMH - June 2021 (currently 4-class)
G-STBC - July 2021
G-YMMP - August 2021 (currently 4-class)
G-STBG - August 2021
G-YMML - September 2021 (currently 4-class)
G-YMMT - November 2021
G-YMMU - December 2021



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Old Sep 3, 17, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by frenzie01 View Post
Indeed I am flying from LGW.
But the point is that there is no BA flight from LGW to HKG anyway, so the 3-4-3 issue isn't relevant to your decision...
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Old Sep 4, 17, 1:09 am
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
But the point isn't that there is no BA flight from LGW to HKG anyway, so the 3-4-3 issue isn't relevant to your decision...
But the point is that I live in central London and could not care less which airport I am flying from, takes the same time to get to both. (I usually fly from LHR)

My decision was purely based on the density of Y on BA and CX.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 2:27 am
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Interesting that they are starting with the high aircraft utilisation routes and not the longer sectors.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 2:31 am
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Originally Posted by frenzie01 View Post
But the point is that I live in central London and could not care less which airport I am flying from, takes the same time to get to both. (I usually fly from LHR)

My decision was purely based on the density of Y on BA and CX.
Both BA and CX are 3-3-3.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 2:39 am
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Originally Posted by frenzie01 View Post
But the point is that I live in central London and could not care less which airport I am flying from, takes the same time to get to both. (I usually fly from LHR)

My decision was purely based on the density of Y on BA and CX.
From next year CX will begin refitting it's 777s with 3-4-3 seating, and you can bet your house it wont be long before BA's LHR fleet sees it too.

Thankfully the A350 is not wide enough to see that configuration.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 2:52 am
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From next year CX will begin refitting it's 777s with 3-4-3 seating......Thankfully the A350 is not wide enough to see that configuration.
Air Caraibes has 3-4-3 on their A350s. https://thepointsguy.com/2017/03/inside-air-caraibes-a350/
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Old Sep 4, 17, 2:55 am
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Originally Posted by 1010101 View Post
From next year CX will begin refitting it's 777s with 3-4-3 seating, and you can bet your house it wont be long before BA's LHR fleet sees it too.

Thankfully the A350 is not wide enough to see that configuration.
It does but would mean a seat less wider than a dreamliner economy seat. The XWB sales point of the A350 was to allow 18 inch wide seats compared to the dreamliner's 9 a breast 17 inch.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 4:39 am
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Just as a counterpoint I recently flew whY (return) with Qatar Airways to Windhoek. Owing to a re-route via JNB on the outbound, we got a chance to sample all 4 of their main LH workhorses: 77W, A380, B787 and A330. The former was configured 3-4-3 and was perfectly fine. The B787 and A330 were perfectly dreadful. The A380 was in another league to all the others.

Looking at Seat Guru doesn't tell the whole story. Seat width on the A380 is 18.5 inches, 17.5 on the A330, 17.2 on the Dreamliner and 17 on the B777W. Seat pitch ranges from 32 inches (A380, B777W and A330) to 31 inches (B787).

For me it's definitely pitch (and seat design) and not lateral density which is the deciding factor on comfort. The B777W seat just felt so much more comfortable than either the A330 or B787, which both trump it on width. The B787 was by far the worst offender in this regard given the miserly pitch, intruding entertainment boxes and generally very cramped feel. I now understand why so many on here complain about the B787 in the back - I've not flown it on BA but it looks like an identical configuration to QR.

I guess all this is a long winded way of saying that the issue is not the lateral density but the pitch (and partially the seat design). Having now tried both I would take QR's 3-4-3 B777W config any day of the week over BA's current 3-3-3 config given the former's superior pitch. Now if BA were to move towards QR config that would be somethign to applaud. But 3-4-3 and 31 inches... hmm. Let's just hope it's one of heck of an innovative seat design...
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Old Sep 4, 17, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by simons1 View Post
Both BA and CX are 3-3-3.
Again I had the choice between BA 772 which I believe is 3-4-3 and CX A350 which is 3-3-3.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 5:44 am
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Originally Posted by frenzie01 View Post
Again I had the choice between BA 772 which I believe is 3-4-3 and CX A350 which is 3-3-3.
Your belief is not correct . The densified BA772s will not (for now) operate any route which is also operated by a CX A350. These are the routes where you would have a concern and only on the days listed:

London Gatwick – Cancun eff 12MAY18 1 weekly (Day 6; 3 weekly Day 136 from 20JUN18)
London Gatwick – Ft. Lauderdale eff 13SEP18 1 weekly (Day 4)
London Gatwick – Kingston eff 07MAY18 2 weekly (Day 13; Day 15 from 10SEP18)
London Gatwick – New York JFK eff 08JUL18 1 daily
London Gatwick – Orlando eff 11MAY18 1 weekly BA2037/2036 (Day 5; 2 weekly Day 56 from 08JUN18 to 08SEP18)
London Gatwick – Punta Cana eff 08MAY18 3 weekly (Day 247)
London Gatwick – Tampa eff 07JUN18 2 weekly (Day 47)
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Old Sep 4, 17, 6:40 am
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This is painful to read...
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Old Sep 4, 17, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by frenzie01 View Post
Again I had the choice between BA 772 which I believe is 3-4-3 and CX A350 which is 3-3-3.
No, only LGW flights will have 3-4-3. BA don't fly to HKG from LGW, only from LHR.

So, LHR 772 will be 3-3-3, same as CX A350.
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Old Sep 4, 17, 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA View Post
No, only LGW flights will have 3-4-3. BA don't fly to HKG from LGW, only from LHR.

So, LHR 772 will be 3-3-3, same as CX A350.
Only LGW will have 3:4:3 initially. All LHR 772ERs (YMM*) will also go 3:4:3 eventually
If HKG ever goes onto the 772 from LHR, it will also be 3:4:3 (unlikely though as I suspect F demand on the HKG will keep it safe)
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Old Sep 4, 17, 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by DYKWIA View Post
It's only the LGW fleet at the moment I believe?
Originally Posted by A P Yu View Post
Only LGW will have 3:4:3 initially.
As I said...
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Old Sep 4, 17, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by A P Yu View Post
Only LGW will have 3:4:3 initially. All LHR 772ERs (YMM*) will also go 3:4:3 eventually
If HKG ever goes onto the 772 from LHR, it will also be 3:4:3 (unlikely though as I suspect F demand on the HKG will keep it safe)
Eventually the 77Ws will go 3-4-3 too. It might not be plannned yet, but it is inevitable.

I flew an AC 77W on Friday and it's amazing how many seats they get on it. I'm only surprised BA has taken so long to do it.
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