LHR-PER: should BA have done it
Suggestion that QF will announce the opening of a non-stop LHR-PER. With current arrangements, this will most certainly involve EK codeshare and not BA one and it is conceivable that it might hurt the BA LHR-SIN-SYD.
TK is also apparently still working hard on plans for a nonstop IST-SYD. Quite bluntly, since this is related to new aircrafts coming in, should BA have done this, maybe attempting to obtain 8th freedom rights from Oz to fly LHR-PER-SYD instead of LHR-SIN-SYD? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...-perth-london/ |
Even in a premium seat this sounds like a nightmare flight!
Can't see many economy pax attempting this more than once. |
Originally Posted by orbitmic
(Post 27404109)
Suggestion that QF will announce the opening of a non-stop LHR-PER. With current arrangements, this will most certainly involve EK codeshare and not BA one and it is conceivable that it might hurt the BA LHR-SIN-SYD.
Quite bluntly, since this is related to new aircrafts coming in, should BA have done this, maybe attempting to obtain 6th freedom rights from Oz to fly LHR-PER-SYD instead of LHR-SIN-SYD? Technically, flying on to Sydney with traffic rights would be 8th freedom - 6th is connecting traffic via your home hub. And of course operating this way increases the cost basis again, so would have been unlikely even if the rights were available (which I imagine QF, Virgin Australia et al would have objected to quite vociferously to). |
I'd happily take this. Straight into Perth then a short hop on to Melbourne or Sydney
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After 7 hours sitting on economy my legs start to hurt, 11 hours its not fun, so I can't imagine 18 hours.
And that's with me walking around every hour or so. |
Originally Posted by secretplantofightinflation
(Post 27404220)
I'd happily take this. Straight into Perth then a short hop on to Melbourne or Sydney
PERSYD block times are just over 4 hours, but that's hardly a short hop! You'd be much quicker going via Singapore. |
Originally Posted by southsidesilver
(Post 27404229)
After 7 hours sitting on economy my legs start to hurt, 11 hours its not fun, so I can't imagine 18 hours.
And that's with me walking around every hour or so. And in J, while I have never done 18 hours flights, I have done several 15 hour ones and will do the 16 hour DOH-AKL in a few months. My experience with the 15 hour flights is that quite frankly, they are not harder to cope with than 11 hour ones and one often sleeps better (and they were not even solo seats which I think the new QF 789 will be). Perth is an increasingly important economic centre and also has a wealthy population which makes it a potential candidate for leisure premium flying. I really wouldn't be surprised if the flight was quite successful, and paradoxically, BA's connecting network from LHR may be a strong reason for it! |
Some good points, especially @orbitmic re Perth's wealthy population, diaspora and business ties.
What interested me was finding out that QR's upcoming DOH-AKL service (launching 5 Feb 2017) would surpass LON-PER as the longest flight by distance, clocking in at 9032 miles, 23 miles longer than Qantas's proposed UK-AU non stop. Further, the AKL flight's block time is actually just 16h10 westbound (17h30 eastbound), so given that both flights would take a similar route direction, the LON-PER flight might actually be less than 18 hours. |
Originally Posted by The Lion
(Post 27404583)
Some good points, especially @orbitmic re Perth's wealthy population, diaspora and business ties.
What interested me was finding out that QR's upcoming DOH-AKL service (launching 5 Feb 2017) would surpass LON-PER as the longest flight by distance, clocking in at 9032 miles, 23 miles longer than Qantas's proposed UK-AU non stop. Further, the AKL flight's block time is actually just 16h10 westbound (17h30 eastbound), so given that both flights would take a similar route direction, the LON-PER flight might actually be less than 18 hours. |
Originally Posted by bhbloke
(Post 27404122)
Even in a premium seat this sounds like a nightmare flight!
Can't see many economy pax attempting this more than once. |
What's the size of the market in such a hurry they would pay way more money to avoid the opportunity to restore circulation to their legs? Not THAT big.
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I did SIN-EWR which was 18 and a bit hours. It was exceedingly boring as after the duration of a normal Asia to Europe flight you have the equivalent of London to BAH ahead. Utterly dull.
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Originally Posted by skipness1E
(Post 27404891)
What's the size of the market in such a hurry they would pay way more money to avoid the opportunity to restore circulation to their legs? Not THAT big.
Considering the capacity of the Qantas 787-9 will be 42 Business, 28 Premium Economy and 166 Economy for a total of 236, I don't think it will be hard to fill the aircraft. Some people don't want to stop in Dubai or Asia and just want to get there, and stopping in Perth is no different to the alternative. It will have the cachet of being the first direct Australia to UK service too, so people will want to give it a go. Australians have a good knowledge of Qantas as just about everyone in the country has a Frequent Flyer card with them! |
I wouldn't do it for fear of being stuck with someone with whom I have no desire to share any kind of enclosed space for so long, e.g. noisy, smelly etc.
That would not be nice! 13 hours is about my limit. |
Originally Posted by LTN Phobia
(Post 27405114)
I wouldn't do it for fear of being stuck with someone with whom I have no desire to share any kind of enclosed space for so long, e.g. noisy, smelly etc.
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