YYZFlyboy

Ok but by just simply doing the arithmetic - it doesn't add up. If 25 crew members buggered off to the hospital with the pax still on board - how many crew members would there be on an a380 with a reported 400 pax on board.............?

1010101

Highlighted your mistake. We've already been told by someone who was actually there that that didn't happen.

BingBongBoy

Ok. I will lay it out in simple terms.

The minimum legal required cabin crew to be onboard the A380 with passengers onboard, on the ground, is 18.

The minimum legal required flight crew to be onboard the A380 with passengers onboard, on the ground, is 0.

There for, as we seem to be referencing the two working groups as a total number, making 25, a total of 7 crew, made up of 3 flight crew and 4 "above minimum" cabin crew could leave the aircraft before passengers were removed.

Irrespective of what you chose to believe, despite a posted from onboard the aircraft stating that what the media report to have happened, did not in fact happen, once again, it is not a rule that could be broken.

The only time passengers may be left onboard the aircraft alone, is during an evacuation, should the crew members deem that their life is in danger and opt to leave the aircraft before all passengers have evacuated. During station transits, ground delays, waiting for pilots, or any other situation where passengers are onboard an aircraft, cabin crew MUST BE and ARE present onboard. There is no getting around it.

YYZFlyboy

Ok, thanks for "laying it out in simple terms". A bit condescending but it still doesn't make sense any way you cut it. You quote one passenger. I've seen quotes from several other passengers that say something completely different. Unlike you, I haven't come to any firm conclusions on the basis of one persons conflicting report - and still want to know exactly what happened.

Here's some other quotes:

"We were kept in the dark.… When we landed what we did know is that the crew got their luggage and left immediately," said Blaser.

"We're all sitting there looking around … the entire crew just got up and left the plane... why they took their luggage and left, we have no idea."

Others even say they saw (from their seat on the plane) the crew being loaded (into a bus and taken away.

There's also a press photo of a large group of the crew strolling into an emergency department with their luggage in tow.

It's all extremely strange, no matter how much you (and others) want to rush to BA's defence. I'd like to know what happened for sure, maybe it's all good, maybe not. But it doesn't add up at this point, no mater how "simply" you want to make your case.

Has anyone ever seen/heard anything quite like this before? I haven't.

BingBongBoy

My conclusion is partly based on one persons account, but also the knowledge of what the SOP and legal requirements for the operation of the aircraft are. However, as usual, a lay person appears to know better than someone who has gone through specific training for the job, is licensed to operate as crew on the aircraft and knows the procedures, both company and regulator for said aircraft.

But hey, what do I know... Lets all just run the world on the word of the press and "armchair" experts. ^

And, I am not "rushing to BA's defence", I am stating fact in regard to the way in which things are done. Something you, unless you suddenly appear to be an A380 pilot or licensed crew member, don't know about.

And as for your last line. No one has heard of it before, because it WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Enjoy your continued debate, carry it on with yourself, I don't have the time or inclination to bash my head off a thick brick wall.

Saltire74

And the media have never, ever ever been known to manipulate the facts or (as Maggie used to say), be economical with the truth to start a sensational news story.

Safe & Happy Travels

S

Johnnieboy

Just for the sake of accuracy, because it written rather than verbal, any defamation would be libel, not slander, if indeed it were either of those

msm2000uk

I saw someone on Instagram yesterday who was in F on the flight.

He and his partner were moved onto KLM opposed to BA.

He wrote to say everything was well handled, but did say he felt sorry for those in Y due to the lengthy queues (he posted a picture which CBS wanted to use).

M

simonrp84

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BingBongBoy

Wrong.

Can I help you

I don't know how much clearer we can be, IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.
We don't just do what we feel onboard with have SOPs which we MUST follow.
I'm guessing that the reports of the crew picking up their bags and leaving was from the baggage hall, once we had completed all duties and our ground staff had taken over then we would have left for the hospital.

simonrp84

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rapidex

As KLM do not have F,only J that would be a downgrade.Perhaps EU261 afterall.

msm2000uk

Correct, but his post showed he was just grateful to be on a flight back to the UK (Bristol to be precise).

He mentioned it was J, and that he managed just 3 hours on his first F flight!

M

BingBongBoy

You are more than welcome. It was a pleasure, as always.

You have a lovelily day now... Safe travels! ^