Asking to be guested in on the escalator

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Old Jan 2, 19, 7:57 am
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Cathay also allows you to use 9000 Asia miles to bring in an additional guest. Given that many people have too many avios, it could be a good option for BA to introduce.
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Old Jan 2, 19, 8:02 am
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given the headline rates (based on link from the LHR website) for the Aspire and Plaza lounges at T5 are in the £35-40 rate that's the rate that BA would likely want to charge for additional guests.

It might not get any takers but at least it could say it offered it.

One consequence of charging is that it might then want to end the additional guest allocation if offers to some passengers during school holiday periods.
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Old Jan 2, 19, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by TabTraveller View Post
That's a crappy analogy I'm afraid.

Try this: you're invited to an event at a bar/restaurant with a plus one. You decide to go by yourself and in the queue you overhear the people behind you talking and it turns out that they were also invited to the event but happen to have a friend in town unexpectedly.

They want to go to the event but are worried that their friend isn't on the list and that means none of them would go as they'd rather stay together.

Still wrong to offer your plus one to those behind you?
It's not unexpected though, is it?

This chap knowingly brought more people to the airport than he was entitled to bring into the lounge, and then waited around to pounce on a stranger to help him breach the limits on his privileges, in what sounds like a pre-determined 'routine'.

It was all pre-decided, by him - he could have opted to pay for higher class tickets, or go to a pay lounge, or the seafood bar, or whatever, but instead he chose, in advance, to do the hover-and-pounce thing, based on his (inadequate for this occasion) status, all of which makes me surprised this whole discussion isn't in the DYKWIA thread.

That's not the same as "oh look, my long-lost daughter has unexpectedly turned up on the same flight just as I was about to step in to the lounge with my wife on our long-planned retirement trip, whatever shall we do?", as the above analogy implies.

I'm not a GCH but from a social equity / 'two types of people in the world' point of view, the discussion is interesting. I think it boils down to, is this someone in distress due to an unexpected turn of events, in which case charity is reasonable, or someone knowingly playing the system / leveraging the "I'm a GCH and so are you" moral pressure angle to get something he has already decided he is not prepared to pay for?

The crux of it is, if you know he has planned this and is going to do it on the return flight as well, and in fact fully intends to keep repeating it every time he travels with 3 people (the 'Deliberate Freeloader' scenario) , would you feel the same urge to help as if it is a one-off distress request (the 'Charity Case' scenario)?

It sounds to me as if the key divide in this thread is between those who see it as the former, or those who see it as the latter.

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Old Jan 2, 19, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by DreamTrip View Post
At T5B lounge I was standing behind this guy who had an ďarrival invitation cardĒ from AA trying to get in. The lounge agent said no. I overheard and I said he is my guest. He completely freaked out and said NO I AM NOT WITH HIM. So I left him alone and he went back to the terminal.
Not a street-smart fella. Oh well...

I have (accidentally) been this person. A few years ago, I was flying after a very stressful week and was quite scatterbrained by the time of travel. At security I began a very pleasant conversation with a pleasant fella who then offered to guest me to the lounge. I somehow interpreted it as something much more sinister (not sure how but I was not the most socially skilled person back then as you can tell) and basically bolted to Pret. Hope he wasnít too disturbed...

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Old Jan 2, 19, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by GCab View Post
It's not unexpected though, is it?

This chap knowingly brought more people to the airport than he was entitled to bring into the lounge, and then waited around to pounce on a stranger to help him breach the limits on his privileges, in what sounds like a pre-determined 'routine'.

It was all pre-decided, by him - he could have opted to pay for higher class tickets, or go to a pay lounge, or the seafood bar, or whatever, but instead he chose, in advance, to do the hover-and-pounce thing, based on his (inadequate for this occasion) status, all of which makes me surprised this whole discussion isn't in the DYKWIA thread.

That's not the same as "oh look, my long-lost daughter has unexpectedly turned up on the same flight just as I was about to step in to the lounge with my wife on our long-planned retirement trip, whatever shall we do?", as the above analogy implies.

I'm not a GCH but from a social equity / 'two types of people in the world' point of view, the discussion is interesting. I think it boils down to, is this someone in distress due to an unexpected turn of events, in which case charity is reasonable, or someone knowingly playing the system / leveraging the "I'm a GCH and so are you" moral pressure angle to get something he has already decided he is not prepared to pay for?

The crux of it is, if you know he has planned this and is going to do it on the return flight as well, and in fact fully intends to keep repeating it every time he travels with 3 people (the 'Deliberate Freeloader' scenario) , would you feel the same urge to help as if it is a one-off distress request (the 'Charity Case' scenario)?

It sounds to me as if the key divide in this thread is between those who see it as the former, or those who see it as the latter.
How do you know that? He might have been "flustered" because ANOTHER GCH (a friend) had been unable to travel at the very last minute... said friend was going to guest in the extra person. No, I have no evidence that might have been the case, but you have no evidence for your assertion either.

Not BA, actually NZ.. but I've seen that EXACT scenario play out, and the principle holds. I was able to guest in the extra person...(So I went from no guests to ONE...and was allowed FIVE...so please don't tell me I was making the lounge "crowded") I was travelling alone, and yet ended up having a wonderful time in the Lounge with a very nice family......
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Old Jan 3, 19, 6:18 am
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OK, thatís a fair point although Iíd venture to guess itís rather less common / likely than someone just trying it on, but as you say we donít know. Even if the latter is the case, clearly half the people here have no problem with that and even admire it..

Maybe the real distinction is whether you are brought up as an Asker or a Guesser -

https://ask.metafilter.com/55153/Wha...Welcome#830421

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...-asker-guesser

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Old Jan 3, 19, 9:31 am
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I'd consider guesting someone in if I knew enough about them to be comfortable vouching for their behaviour in the lounge. Which de facto rules out people who might pounce on me on the escalator.

FTers who I have conversed with here (and occasionally elsewhere) are largely in the camp of being people on whose behaviour I'd be prepared to take a punt.

But strangers? Sorry, but it's a no from me. Not a snobbery thing - I could care less which social stratum someone inhabits. Merely a risk thing. I'm not comfortable showing up on BA's list as the guy who guested in someone who did something reprehensible in the lounge.

Fwiw, in the time before either my wife or myself had any regularly accrued BA status, we quite happily had our ritual of starting our holidays off with a glass of bubbly and some smoked salmon downstairs. It's perfectly civilised outside the lounges most of the time. Especially in T5. People imho get waaaay too hung up on this stuff sometimes.

Doesn't mean I don't tend to use the lounge of course.......
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Old Jan 3, 19, 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by steve170461 View Post
Would it work if BA were to charge for an additional traveller over those allowed by right? I would guess that most people in,say, a group of 3 would be prepared to pay a small fee-£15? to allow access for the whole group
The lounges are packed as it is!
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Old Jan 3, 19, 10:53 am
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Not asking at the base of the escalator but.......

Mrs Aus ATC and I will be travelling in CE from LGW later this year, on the same flight as 2 friends (husband and wife) booked in ET. I understand I (as OWS) can guest 1 in, but I believe the other person would (under the rules) miss out. Any thoughts on options to get the 2nd person access? - it is an 0900 departure and not sure on how busy the lounge is at that time of day.
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Old Jan 3, 19, 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by Aus ATC View Post
Not asking at the base of the escalator but.......

Mrs Aus ATC and I will be travelling in CE from LGW later this year, on the same flight as 2 friends (husband and wife) booked in ET. I understand I (as OWS) can guest 1 in, but I believe the other person would (under the rules) miss out. Any thoughts on options to get the 2nd person access? - it is an 0900 departure and not sure on how busy the lounge is at that time of day.
Options I would say are:

1) Do nothing, find somewhere in the terminal to be together and forget lounge access and the conundrum figuring how you will get that extra person in.

2) I'm not familiar with LGW but are there any paid lounges there?

3) Are their tickets upgradeable (All eligible bar Q, O, G), do they have Avios? Maybe they will receive a pro-active upgrade offer (POUG for which there is a dedicated thread on here)

4) Ask on the day at the airport if they are doing any offers from ET to CE (of course both may wish to so 1 person isn't left in ET!)

I would never dream of asking a random stranger to guest me but as this thread has indicated there are many views!
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Old Jan 3, 19, 11:11 am
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2 - yes #1 lounge and club rooms in south terminal (both around £45 entry on rack rate but often deals)

Another one is being built in the old VS Club House space (that the temporary Speedbird lounge BA used when the new BA lounges were delayed). Can't remember which brand it will be though.
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