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Permanent Reduction of LCY-JFK from 31 Oct 2016 : BA3&4 cancelled.

Permanent Reduction of LCY-JFK from 31 Oct 2016 : BA3&4 cancelled.

Old Aug 31, 16, 4:53 am
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Permanent Reduction of LCY-JFK from 31 Oct 2016 : BA3&4 cancelled.

From 30th October 2016 there will be a permanent reduction in the number of weekly LCY-JFK services. They will reduce from 11 to 6 per week. The BA3 and BA4 will cease to exist and there will be some retimes to the BA1/2 which will operate on everyday except Saturday.

The plan for the spare A318 is not yet known.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 4:59 am
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Oh, thanks for the update - quite some reduction to this service. Not good. Wouldn't be surprised that withing the medium term the LCY-JFK will get reduced permanently

We'll, for some of my upcoming trips this means rebooking as in autumn I'm more on the BA4 service. We'll see.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:04 am
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I'm sure this happens every year: I was hoping to use the service at Christmas but seems to shut down from around 15th December to around 8th January - presumably because the City is quieter?

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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:06 am
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Not sure. BA3 is pretty useless now to a lot of people due to the lack of pre-clearance at SNN so it's probably the better option to head to LHR.
Might be Brexit related as well.

BA4 won't operate if BA3 doesn't fly to JFK in the first place.

Always possibly the spare A318 will be used on a Middle Eastern route or there may be a demand for somewhere else on the east coast?
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:09 am
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A little too early for a Brexit effect on TATL flying, IMHO. Perhaps the reduction of the F equivalent number of TP's decreased the demand? The general impression was that the financial sector, not TP runners, kept these flights alive.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:12 am
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Originally Posted by xenole View Post

Always possibly the spare A318 will be used on a Middle Eastern route or there may be a demand for somewhere else on the east coast?
Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the Gulf states served by the A318. It may not even be from LCY.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:12 am
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Will be interesting to see where the other A318 flies.

Surely the loss of TP runners made a bit of a difference to bookings?
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by onobond View Post
A little too early for a Brexit effect on TATL flying, IMHO. Perhaps the reduction of the F equivalent number of TP's decreased the demand? The general impression was that the financial sector, not TP runners, kept these flights alive.
There are a few companies out there preparing for the worst with regards to Brexit and maybe BA knows something that most of us don't or they're just cutting out the less profitable flights?

I'm sure TP runners did add quite a bit to some flights especially in Mar/Apr/Aug/Dec especially as they could be half the passengers on some ex-DUB to HNL runs!
I've only ever seen the planes 1/2 full both ways when I've flown BA1/2/3.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:16 am
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Surely the loss of TP runners made a bit of a difference to bookings?
Even if it did, those are not bookings which contribute much (if anything) to the route's profitability.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
Even if it did, those are not bookings which contribute much (if anything) to the route's profitability.
Very true, but surely with a full plane it's easier to justify the service. Just guessing of course.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:21 am
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Very true, but surely with a full plane it's easier to justify the service.
Why? Anyone can fill a plane. The trick is filling a plane that makes money.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:22 am
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Originally Posted by Sealink View Post
I'm sure this happens every year ...
Been confirmed by one of the pilots on Twitter too that this is permanent.

Even if BA can't seem to figure out that if you only operate BA1, you can't operate BA2 and BA4.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by onobond View Post
A little too early for a Brexit effect on TATL flying, IMHO.
But it still may be an excuse. Most likely demand at the airline's average wanted price point for a flight hasn't turned out to be there enough not to justify a shift in resource allocation.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by Jordan D View Post
Even if BA can't seem to figure out that if you only operate BA1, you can't operate BA2 and BA4.
Yes, I noticed that that they were still selling tickets to BA2 and BA4 after Oct 31, but in the last few minutes BA4 has been deleted from the timetables.
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Old Aug 31, 16, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
Why? Anyone can fill a plane. The trick is filling a plane that makes money.
Yes indeed, and I'm sure most of those flights did make money with the corporate clients and top paying passengers. But I wonder if they were supplemented with those who didn't provide BA with much profit (i.e. TP runners).

I'm not saying this is true of course.
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