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#841
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK
Programs: BA Gold, Bonvoy Platinum, HH Diamond; others
Posts: 740
Who? Other than a proportion of Delta and QRs fleet of the main airlines flying out of LHR there is nothing that really touches a CW window seat privacy wise is there?
(I’m most certainly excluding AA and CX, with their head in the aisle and see everyone when you’re walking by Cirruses)
About the only thing I'd change is storage for specs and a water bottle.
Of course, the CW aisle seats are much less impressive.
As an aside, why can't lie flat seats be designed to be parallel to the expected horizon (i.e. gravitationally flat), rather than the usual parallel to the aircraft floor, so that they can be effectively flat for the passenger when in use?
Last edited by manord; Feb 1, 2019 at 4:51 am
#842
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LHR, LGW
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 3,412
I guess it will come to a point when doors become the norm (if BA go for it also) and people will moan that a seat doesn't have a door. The tipping point will probably happen, its just a matter of when. People weren't 'fussed' when there weren't flat beds, now people want/expect flat beds. I can see the same happening with doors being a betting man!
#843
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Programs: Mucci, Diamond Status & on the Supreme Council des Conseillers, BA Ag, Bonvoy GFL/Plat, xVS Au
Posts: 832
I guess it will come to a point when doors become the norm (if BA go for it also) and people will moan that a seat doesn't have a door. The tipping point will probably happen, its just a matter of when. People weren't 'fussed' when there weren't flat beds, now people want/expect flat beds. I can see the same happening with doors being a betting man!
#844
Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: Meh
Posts: 2,594
I am amazed BA has kept the new seat under wraps so well.
I really hope they roll this out fleet wide in a timely fashion and I may well use BA on a regular basis.
I really hope they roll this out fleet wide in a timely fashion and I may well use BA on a regular basis.
#845
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: BA - Blue > Bronze > Silver > Bronze > Blue
Posts: 6,812
If more and more carriers begin to provide it, I think expectation will eventually grow and the likes of the QR A38” and VS seats as a whole simple won’t wash.
Whether the Cirrus seat which at least gives a feeling of privacy once you’re in it (despite not actuall being that private at all) is enough, we’ll have to wait and see
#846
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: BAEC Gold, EK Skywards (enhanced Blue !), Oman Air Sindbad Gold
Posts: 6,395
Various bloggers / websites have come up with a whole range of predictions as to what the new seat will look like, with some specifying exact design details, along with indicative photos. Most - and maybe all - could well be wildly inaccurate. However ..... if, on the other hand, one or more prove to be correct, then it won’t have been kept entirely “under wraps”.
Only time will tell. Fingers firmly crossed for something to impress - and worth the long wait
#847
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
Programs: BA, VS, HH, IHG, MB, MR
Posts: 26,871
I flew the new Emirates F Suite yesterday and a crew member was telling me how she had needed to deal with a couple who were, erm, taking advantage of the total privacy the suite offers at the point when the seatbelt sign came on ....
PS. Back on the BA seat, I cheekily asked one of the BA staffers at the oneworld event today and whilst she wasn’t fully clear, the words ‘super diamond’ did ring a bell with her when I prompted ....
PS. Back on the BA seat, I cheekily asked one of the BA staffers at the oneworld event today and whilst she wasn’t fully clear, the words ‘super diamond’ did ring a bell with her when I prompted ....
#848
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Split between MAN & AKL
Programs: BAEC GGL/CCR, SkyMiles Gold, Mucci deux fois
Posts: 619
#849
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: AMS
Programs: BAEC Silver, Flying Blue Gold, TK M&S Nobody
Posts: 2,457
I think it has also been quietly mentioned that the Q-Suite is not going be fitted to 787 or upper-deck A380 due to width - of course that seat does not have the seat-axis angle to play with, being a fore-aft design. This was a change from the initial plan to have a slightly redesigned version for the narrower cabins. Quite what QR do with those we may find out soon, if they are actually going to take delivery of their 789 order at anything close to the original schedule.
One advantage for BA of taking e.g. a Super Diamond with a door for the A350/777 would be the ability to retain commonality by fitting the same seat without the door to the 787/A380UD. That would create another interesting conundrum for the A380 though - if the existing layout were kept then BA woud have a LD space capable of taking suites and an UD space only capable of taking open seats...
#850
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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I find the technical discussions very interesting. It will certainly be a challenge to present ‘fleet commonality’ from the customer’s viewpoint. The FT discussions about ‘which seat’ will presumably evolve into ‘which aircraft’.
#851
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: AMS
Programs: BAEC Silver, Flying Blue Gold, TK M&S Nobody
Posts: 2,457
The new seat is going on the A350 and a couple of refitted 777s to start - but has it been mentioned whether the 78Xs will get the new seat too...? I think they're due from 2020?
#852
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
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I agree with you that CW window seats are very good, so if the CW cabin was all made of windows, it would be great, but unfortunately, they only typically represent 25-30% of total J seats and I personally find the aisle seats extremely expose, much more so than the Cirrus one that you mention.
#853
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orbitmic ... I am always in an aisle seat, both l/h ans s/h, so that My Lady acquires some degree of protection from the masses. And it bothers me not!! Easy access to the loo, easy conversation with CC (given my hearing deficiency) ... and I’m not doing anything that requires me to be ‘private’
Everyone has different needs or desires, of course, but aisle seats don’t bother me at all.
Everyone has different needs or desires, of course, but aisle seats don’t bother me at all.
#854
Join Date: Sep 2013
Programs: BAEC Gold, EK Skywards (enhanced Blue !), Oman Air Sindbad Gold
Posts: 6,395
@ etiene - your posts (esp. #849) are among the most interesting I’ve seen on the subject.
Plus ..... had to resort to my dictionary for the word tessellating ........
Plus ..... had to resort to my dictionary for the word tessellating ........
#855
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
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orbitmic ... I am always in an aisle seat, both l/h ans s/h, so that My Lady acquires some degree of protection from the masses. And it bothers me not!! Easy access to the loo, easy conversation with CC (given my hearing deficiency) ... and I’m not doing anything that requires me to be ‘private’
Everyone has different needs or desires, of course, but aisle seats don’t bother me at all.
Everyone has different needs or desires, of course, but aisle seats don’t bother me at all.