Ldnn1

Well the indications here are that the patent was filed and then the idea promptly abandoned in favour of an off-the-shelf product.

I for one hope that's the case, as I simply cannot see how that patent design offers anything equivalent to the side space and storage of e.g. the AA/CX or IB seats.

lost_in_translation

Hadn't seen this one - what a wonderfully poor piece of 'design'! Is basically a dial-it-in, let's just leave the design the same and update the finishes / ottoman. Let's hope this isn't it...

Andriyko

I am not aware of such contributors. There are many who try to understand why certain decisions are implemented and some are not and won't be, and who do not live in the bubble of their own perceptions of what air travel should be. But there is a very strong anti-BA bias on this forum. Reading other airlines' forums I am surprised how much other airlines 'get away with,' where BA would have been given the hardest of times. Also, reading other airlines' forums I find it funny how posters there complain about the same seats that posters here swear are the best ever. A little bit perspective is always a good thing. I, personally, do not view airlines as the best or the worst - they either meet my needs or they don't.

rossmacd

Of course, but your needs come across to me what is rather low expectations (my opinion, not designed to be controversial in any way ), but considering what I can get elsewhere, my expectations seem to be higher. That is just differences in what people expect, an no one can claim that people's expectations are wrong or invalid. However, when I (or my company) spend multiple thousands of $/Ł/€ on an air ticket, I will ensure that I get value for this cash outlay based on my expectations.

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WorldLux

Yes, apparently they do. Mainly coming from folks being used to 2-2-2, 2-3-2, or cabins alternating 1-2-1 and 2-2-1.

orbitmic

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Originally Posted by Andriyko

Also, reading other airlines' forums I find it funny how posters there complain about the same seats that posters here swear are the best ever.

Isn't there a bit of a contradiction between those two points? I mean either you consider that posters on the BA forum are meaner and more unfair than those on other fora for whatever reason (which would be a little bit odd to the extent that many of the regular BA posters are also contributors on the other fora that I am a regular on myself) so that other airlines do not get complaints where BA does, or you consider that BA posters do not realise that posters complain just as much about the products they deem preferable on the respective competitors fora so that really, people here are viewing CX J or the Q Suite (or the AF P or Swiss Y to look at other travel classes too) with rose tinted glasses because if they looked at those competitors' product discussions they would realise that regulars on CX, QR, AF, and LX really have has many problems with those products and services as they claim to have with the BA J, F, and Y products. I just find it hard to conceive how both things could be true at the same time though?

Disco Volante

There isn't an anti-BA bias. It's a reflection of the numerous and significant cuts to the service passengers receive, and to BA having fallen behind its competitors over a long period of time. It's that simple. When BA was innovating, by introducing the first flat beds in 1st class, or the first flat beds in business class, or the first premium economy cabin, and when its lounges were among the best, if not the best of their type, as they undoubtedly were, this forum was extremely positive about BA, and critical of the products offered by other airlines. AA used to get a real kicking ISTR. If BA improves, it will get a more favourable press. If, on the other hand, its innovation is confined to promising but failing to deliver a new blanket and pillow, it will continue to get a bad press.

Cap'n Benj

Andriyko

No, there is no contradiction between those two points. Reading other airlines' forums, I do believe that many posters here are unfair to BA and are very unresponsive to arguments running along the lines that air travel has its limitations, and that many do not realize (choose to ignore?) that posters there complain about the very same issues where they comment how great those other airlines are in situations where BA has failed them. BTW - I did not see many posters from here in the discussion of the irrops due to the icy conditions at DFW over on the AA forum, and was surprised how different and measured that (very short) discussion was compared to the lengthy one here. Nor do I see any posters from here convincing folks over there that they do not know what they are talking about when they complain about the new AA J seats. Nor do I see an outrage over what AA is doing to MCE. And, I cannot even count how many times I read 'race to the bottom' with respect to other (cherished here) airlines.

But there is. My post was not about where BA stands among other airlines with respect to the seat design or how many meals passengers get during the flight. Comparing the 'product' is a futile exercise as we all value different things. My post was about the fact that reactions to certain situations are so much different, and what meets a measured response on other forums is often met with fire and fury (yes, I chose these words deliberately) over here.

710 77345

To be fair, the 1st picture here wasn't published anywhere before it was leaked on FT - and having seen a BA head honcho on the Sunday it was published, it didn't seem like they wanted the picture in the public domain.