Jimmie76

That"s a bit difficult if you look at the seat maps for the Cirrus at the bulkhead.
I can't see how the foot coffin space at the rear can be utilised easily in that config.

Prospero

Speculation Alert!

The following diagrams are hypothetical and for the purpose of illustrating my thinking. The blue tone indicates the displacement of cabin floor area:

Four class 777-236ER (77F)
This diagram shows the possibility of a full complement of CW Mark III seats resulting in a reduction of 16 WT+ seats:


This diagram is a product of the Prospero Skunk Works and should not be regarded as the final arrangement


This alternative diagram shows the possibility of a reduction of 8 CW Mark III seats resulting in an increase of 8 WT+ seats:


This diagram is a product of the Prospero Skunk Works and should not be regarded as the final arrangement


Current 777-236ER Club World layout:




You can clearly tell I'm having fun today

Flexible preferences

I love these diagrams! ^

Jimmie76

Interesting mock up you've drawn and I like it.

London_traveller

Very interesting Prospero.

Could it work in the first diagram to reconfigure the toilets/galley/etc at the front of the cabin, in order to protect WT+ seats? And in doing so (please don't shoot me), reduce the number of toilets for CW? What BA gives with one hand...

orbitmic

Certainly not me, though, and I have flown that model dozens of times. I guess that as always, there is an element of individual morphology/preference/habits that comes into play when it comes to seats. I still remember people commenting that they did not like fully flat seats and found the old cradle seats far more comfortable not so long ago!

hemschmall

Retrofit case studies exist (even for the 747). You'd expect them to exist, so this is in no way confirmation that a retrofit will happen or not. In one particular configuration on one particular aircraft, BA has come up trumps and lost no seats whatsoever. This is a result of rearranging wardrobes, toilets and other 'dead' space. For the rest there is a small loss of seats. However re-arranging other parts of cabin & other classes have minimised the loss. The new product is lighter, too.

One comment I've seen a lot here is that BA wants to maintain the density. You need to let go of that idea. Despite some seat losses BA will still achieve a higher density than all of it's competitors. Combine that with the fact that it's a more attractive product, and that the fleet isn't as fuel thirsty as it was in 2000 or 2006, BA think that there's a perfectly reasonable business case for it.

As for storage: the small 'table' next to the head of the seat is big enough for say, an phone (iPhone 6 Plus) and a wallet. The literature pocket at the top (there is also one further down the seat at the side), could be useful for hanging your glasses on.

I've seen nothing more regarding the IFE than the same Panasonic system being fitted to the 747. This may change as technology paces on.

Genius1

On paper the new design looks like a fair improvement over the current product - nicer aesthetics, direct aisle access, more storage, more privacy for aisle seats, larger IFE screen.

The cabin density still concerns me, as it's hard to deliver a premium service with so many passengers in a single cabin.

I hope the soft product will see some small changes (such as bread plates, nuts in a dish, proper salt and pepper cellars) as well.

jason8612

Looks amazing, but do I still get to look at my seatmate sensually before take-off like on the current CW?

Flexible preferences

Yes, guess we're all built differently. Although I've definitely read more than once on here about that uncomfortable bar. My guess is you are of slim build and perhaps compress the foam less!

ascubaguy

Am I the only one tired of paying BA prices for substandard business class?

percysmith

http://www.ausbt.com.au/revealed-cat...ess-class-seat

"There's a little give-and-take with the width, however, reduced from 21 to 20.2 inches on the main cushion but with more space in the knee zones on the left and right for travellers who sleep on their side..."

ascubaguy

If this were marketed at WTP prices such 'optimisations' would be a welcome change. Instead it feels like BA is experimenting with how little can be done to keep defectors at bay.

I suspect that this 'leak' is nothing more than that.

sxc

When the CX seat is fully flat, just tilt the top part of the seat very very slightly upwards, and the ridge in the seat goes away. And then push the legrest button so that it raises again. It will still feel flat, but without the "join" protruding.

1010101

I had really hoped they would go for one of the more genuinely revolutionary mockups we were seeing as patent applications rather than the lipstick on a pig approach. Other than finally providing direct aisle access for all nothing has really changed. It's still narrow at the window, exposed in the aisle, too short for anyone tall and doesn't address the lack of storage space.