BA redemption ticket showing 'face value' on website that used to change FFP
Recently I made two redemption ticket on BA.com. While in need to change the FFP to another company, I went to the most useful and famous fellow oneworld airline website to make the modification.
To my surprise, that website displayed the face value of the BA.com redemption ticket. Ticket 1, LHR -DUB, one way, using BA miles, peak travel. The displayed price is £47.81 Since the fees are: United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) £13.00 United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) £29.81 Total £42.81 SO the fare BA is charged is £5.00 Consider the fare I paid was 4,500 + £17.50 So the cash component BA needs to pay is £30.31 Since BA can write off the fare of £5 which I do not know the truth, but discount the £5 for the purpose of maximise the Avios value, So the 4,500 avios in this case worth £25.31. Per 1,000 Avios is worth £5.62 (1 Avios = £0.0056) Ticket 2, LGW - JER, one way, using BA miles, off-peak travel. The displayed price is £33.06 Since other fees are: United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) £8.05 United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) £7.34 United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) £13.00 Total : £28.39 So the fare BA to charge is £4.67 Consider the fare I paid was 4,000 + £17.50 So the cash component BA needs to pay is £15.56 Since BA can write off the fare of £4.67 which I do not know the truth, but discount the £4.67 for the purpose of maximise the Avios value, So the 4,000 avios in this case worth £10.89, So per 1,000 Avios worth £2.7225 (1 Avios = £0.0027) If you have any redemption ticket, you might wish to check the 'face value' out on that oneworld airline website fast, I think it is a glitch to show the price. This function may be taken away very soon once they discovered the bug. If you can not see the price on the front page (it flashes once and then disappear), you just need to go to modify traveller information page where the price will be shown. Sorry I can not tell the website name just in case BA sees this. But for many frequent travellers on BA often in the need to change FFP numbers in reservation, you should know which airline I am talking about. And please keep it as a secret as long as possible as I hope this bug can last a little bit longer. So what is your redemption ticket cost BA?:p |
Aren't those just the fees and taxes?
(These are capped on RFS of course, but BA still need to pay the airport, etc). |
Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 26672890)
To my surprise, that website displayed the face value of the BA.com redemption ticket.
Ticket 1, LHR -DUB, one way, using BA miles, peak travel. The displayed price is £4X.81 (I think X is either 2 or 5, can not remember as it was few days ago). Ticket 2, LGW - JER, one way, using BA miles, off-peak travel. The displayed price is £33.06 For example a LHR-DUB ticket has non-fare components of: United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) £13.00 United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) £29.81 Total £42.81 as per your figure above. |
Originally Posted by nux
(Post 26672912)
This is just the sum of taxes/fees/charges. For a non-RFS award ticket it should be identical to the cash component paid. For an RFS award ticket you can find it through ITA Matrix.
For example a LHR-DUB ticket has non-fare components of: United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) £13.00 United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) £29.81 Total £42.81 as per your figure above. |
Originally Posted by paul4040
(Post 26672911)
Aren't those just the fees and taxes?
(These are capped on RFS of course, but BA still need to pay the airport, etc). |
Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 26672917)
Well, no. BA still has to pay a fare apparently. I checked against Matrix and I can conclude both ticket I had indeed had a fare attached.
(Assuming the redemptions you've written about are both BA metal) |
Originally Posted by Virazuno
(Post 26672954)
Pay a fare to whom? Itself?
(Assuming the redemptions you've written about are both BA metal) |
I am not clear even if this is a "face value" with a hypothetical fare why it matters?
I am doing a redemption to avoid paying a fare. I couldn't really care less how BA wants to account for it between itself and AGL. |
Although OPs post is slightly confusing, and claims to show the 'secret hidden fare cost', his point can be summed up as thus:
Actual fees and taxes vary Avios rate varies for peak & off-peak RFS fee is £17.50 Therefore the 'value' of the Avios you spend varies. I don't think this is any great surprise. The whole idea of the RFS is that it provides a standardised cost for European redemptions, and so there's bound to be routes where you're getting better value than others. Incidentally, this can become more interesting when booking single flights into LON, where the fee is often lower than £17.50... |
Originally Posted by Virazuno
(Post 26672954)
Pay a fare to whom? Itself?
(Assuming the redemptions you've written about are both BA metal)
Originally Posted by srbrenna
(Post 26672971)
BA and Avios are separate companies now.
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 26672980)
I am not clear even if this is a "face value" with a hypothetical fare why it matters?
I am doing a redemption to avoid paying a fare. I couldn't really care less how BA wants to account for it between itself and AGL. |
Originally Posted by Foltan
(Post 26672990)
Although OPs post is slightly confusing, and claims to show the 'secret hidden fare cost', his point can be summed up as thus:
Fees and taxes vary RFS fee is £17.50 Avios rate varies for peak & off-peak Therefore the 'value' of the Avios you spend varies. I don't think this is any great surprise. The whole idea of the RFS is that it provides a standardised cost for European redemptions, and so there's bound to be routes where you're getting better value than others. Incidentally, this can become more interesting when booking single flights into LON, where the fee is often lower than £17.50... Suppose you made a redemption with BA. BA has to pay the fees and taxes on your behave if it is RFS, not only that, BA has to pay a fare upon the fees and taxes. Similar to long haul redemption and redemption on other airlines, you pay the taxes and fees and avios. BA will collect the taxes and fees then have to pay a fare on your behave. The main object is to find out how much BA paid for a redemption ticket ex. fees and taxes. Especially if someone here had a long haul business/first redemption, the fare BA is to pay would be the most intriguing question. :p |
Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 26672890)
If you have any redemption ticket, you might wish to check the 'face value' out on that oneworld airline website fast, I think it is a glitch to show the price. This function may be taken away very soon once they discovered the bug.
|
Well just checked that for a JAL redemption booked on BA.
The fare is showing as 0 CNY and the fare equivalent as 0 EUR. The only prices displayed are the taxes that I've actually paid so I am definitely not sure that what you are seeing is a "face value". |
Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 26672994)
So why do you come back to join the conversation. You could just ignored the post. The reality is that I think occasionally people get curious, like me did. The true spirit about Frequent Flyer is to learn things you did not know about travel. For me, I have no idea how much BA would charge for a redemption ticket, and now, I accidently learnt the real figure and I am more than happy to share this info with people here. Someone here could find the 'rubbish knowledge' like this entertaining and helpful. Of course you can have your own attitude, but I truly wish that you could keep it to yourself.
I am just trying to understand why you thing it matters or why you think it is a glitch or bug which should be taken advantage of? I get the impression based on your further post that it is entertainment value only? Also there is no indication this is actually the value BA/AGL use. |
Originally Posted by chongcao
(Post 26673007)
The main object is to find out how much BA paid for a redemption ticket ex. fees and taxes. Especially if someone here had a long haul business/first redemption, the fare BA is to pay would be the most intriguing question. :p
Anyway, for what it's worth, all I can see for "fare" in my award bookings is zero, zilch, nada - whether the redemptions are in Z class, U class, X class or (and this was the bit that had triggered my suspicions) V class. |
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