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Old Mar 9, 16, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by AMBurns1512 View Post
In all honesty, I see this as quite an enhancement.
So were all the forum scaremongers wrong about this just being another BA scam in order to fleece customers?
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Old Mar 9, 16, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by HIDDY View Post
So were all the forum scaremongers wrong about this just being another BA scam in order to fleece customers?
I think you will find very little of that in this thread.
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Old Mar 9, 16, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by HIDDY View Post
So were all the forum scaremongers wrong about this just being another BA scam in order to fleece customers?
Well my main route VIE-LHR in HBO fare went up 9 EUR overnight, so indeed one could argue that. Still not sure what the difference will be between HBO and checked baggage fares.
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Old Mar 9, 16, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
Anyone who can't buy a semiflex fare because the buckets it requires are zeroed out

Anyone whose company obtains a full flex fare for the price of a HBO fare

et c...
I think my post did (or at least meant to) acknowledge those situations.

My point - which I appreciate is stating the obvious - is that if you're actually facing a choice for a particular flight between a cheap semi-flex fare or a much more expensive (easily 2/3/4 times more) published fully flex fare, there's basically zero value in the latter.

I guess the exception being when it's more likely than not that you'll need to cancel for a refund, but you want to secure a seat in advance just in case you *do* need to travel.
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Old Mar 9, 16, 4:22 pm
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Originally Posted by FrancisA View Post
The only outstanding issue is whether the last status benefit (lounge access) is maintained for much longer on HBO fares. I suspect its days are numbered.
Just make sure to fly from T3 if that's the case - I'd gladly use the CX lounge there if that ever happens
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Old Mar 10, 16, 12:36 am
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Interestingly, yesterday after I posted that I was only being offered 'Economy' and 'Busienss' and not HBO, I discovered that I could still find HBO fares by going through google flights and clicking 'book with BA'. Not sure why I couldn't get them directly though. (haven't checked yet this morning)
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Old Mar 10, 16, 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by AMBurns1512 View Post
HBO option has returned on the LHR-BRU route. Hopefully it will be back for other routes soon. In all honesty, I see this as quite an enhancement.
Indeed. But that will probably mean that this thread will fizzle out because nobody's got anything to complain about!

Here's LHR-BRU priced today for 26 April, for those who are interested. All the HBO and WCB options book into Q class.

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Old Mar 10, 16, 2:12 am
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Originally Posted by Ldnn1 View Post
I think my post did (or at least meant to) acknowledge those situations.

My point - which I appreciate is stating the obvious - is that if you're actually facing a choice for a particular flight between a cheap semi-flex fare or a much more expensive (easily 2/3/4 times more) published fully flex fare, there's basically zero value in the latter.

I guess the exception being when it's more likely than not that you'll need to cancel for a refund, but you want to secure a seat in advance just in case you *do* need to travel.
Is this a change to the previous situation? What were/are the refund rules for semiflex?
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Old Mar 10, 16, 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
Is this a change to the previous situation? What were/are the refund rules for semiflex?
... and is there a change to the Avios and TP earnings?
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Old Mar 10, 16, 2:57 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK View Post
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Originally Posted by Calchas

Is this a change to the previous situation? What were/are the refund rules for semiflex?

... and is there a change to the Avios and TP earnings?
My guess from what BA have said is that they have added semi-flex terms to the previous standard fare buckets, but without changing either cancellation terms or avios/TP earning for those buckets.

That means all with luggage fares will be semi-flex, but some will have better TP/avios earning (assuming very bottom buckets are available as with luggage fares).

Looks similar to CE where more expensive buckets bring better terms, not just increase in price.
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Old Mar 10, 16, 3:06 am
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Still only seeing Economy v Business for ARN-LHR/LHR-ARN
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Old Mar 10, 16, 3:07 am
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave View Post
My impressions, taking into account that it's a limited amount of data:

- no changes to LGW prices at all, but that's because the changes haven't rolled through there, still showing change fees on non HBO.
- not much changes on LCY, but the changes are in place
- not much change on LHR fares for flights a month out for shorthaul Europe
- an increase in fares for Domestic, the NCL-LHR 46 is now 54 across the board
- an increase in fares close up to departure, in the 3 to 10 area. So the delta between HBO and non HBO is maintained, but the fares are up
- no obvious changes to Club Europe, so closer in this becomes more attractive.
I've now had a chance to see the LGW fares, which now appear to be correctly in place from this morning. LGW is interesting in that there is the sharpest competition there from a range of low cost carriers.

From what I can make out, looking at fares and routes I know well:
- the headline "lowest" fare for HBO has been maintained. Geneva is available at 29.72 one way.
- no immediate Domestic increases, it is still possible to get to Glasgow for 39.80 even fairly close in (16 March) however I can see some evidence of fares rising by 2 from April.
- some evidence that the cheapest with baggage fares are a few pounds dearer, in other words a slightly wider gap between HBO and with baggage. On 40 flights I've checked it's about 2.70 more if I exclude the 10% outliers on either side.
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Old Mar 10, 16, 3:10 am
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Originally Posted by FrancisA View Post
That means all with luggage fares will be semi-flex, but some will have better TP/avios earning (assuming very bottom buckets are available as with luggage fares).
Which they are, as illustrated by that LHR-BRU example I posted: all of the HBO and WCB fares listed there are Q class, ie 25% earning, non-UuA.

At the other end of the scale, a quick look at LON-AMS for today suggests that H class (eg BA440) will still come in HBO and WCB flavours, but Y (BA444) and B (BA442) are WCB only. This would align the HBO/WCB concept (including semi-flex WCB) with the booking classes whose fares were already semi-flex in a different sense, leaving the fully-flex fares in Y and B in a category of their own.

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Old Mar 10, 16, 3:12 am
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Originally Posted by Ziz View Post
Still only seeing Economy v Business for ARN-LHR/LHR-ARN
Same here, but it works the other way around, starting from London, so I suspect it's a glitch that will go tomorrow.
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Old Mar 10, 16, 3:17 am
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It appears those of us in the Regions are being left behind with this enhanced semi-flex fare structure. Wherever there is a connection involved the old rules remain - 60 to 100 change fee plus difference in fare, including changes on the day changes. That appears very unfair. Fares also appear to have increased too for the enhanced 'no change' semi-flex fares.

So it is a from me with respect to the changes where I need to connect - which is every flight I take that doesn't end in London.
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