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WW says BA may purchase 2nd-hand Airbus A380s

Old Jan 18, 16, 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
Although not officially confirmed, it's strongly rumoured that all three of the BC aircraft (including the aircraft that had not yet reached final assembly) have been sold to NH. Here's one specialist source, which contains a lot of links to other mainstream sources: http://a380.boards.net/thread/1301/ana-order-3-a380
Is there a chance ANA might sublease the A380s to someone who needs it?

As it seems, the A380 second hands should be able to be obtained for not much at all.
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser View Post
Although not officially confirmed, it's strongly rumoured that all three of the BC aircraft (including the aircraft that had not yet reached final assembly) have been sold to NH. Here's one specialist source, which contains a lot of links to other mainstream sources: http://a380.boards.net/thread/1301/ana-order-3-a380
Also - Airbus confirmed a few days ago that they received 3 A380 orders in December (http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/). Buyer undisclosed, but everyone seems to know it's ANA.

And I don't think ordering only three would make sense unless it was specifically the BC three (at a discount, no doubt).
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:36 am
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Originally Posted by Can I help you View Post
A Captain told me that there are 12 white B747s in Seattle waiting to be painted in our livery.
This is interesting. Any further details?
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:39 am
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No details sorry although I think that it's unlikely mores the pity.
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by MeltingAlf View Post
If airlines only had values and refused to go down the slippery slope and earn less for a bit more reputation.
I don't wish to re-open the age old 'shareholder value' argument but - being overly dramatic - "earning a bit less" means ultimately going bust to the detriment of staff and customers.


Originally Posted by rossmacd View Post
Absolutely agree that is a consequence of many people wanting to fly as cheaply as possible. What I fail to understand is why people would put themselves through such conditions. Yes, I know it is about affordability vs market conditions, but surely a human being couldn't be comfortable in a 11-across A380?
1. most people probably don't research aircraft config when booking their annual holiday (and airlines don't guarantee a particular configuration).

2. most people go for the cheapest option (which links to the value / shareholder / "capitalist view" above). suggesting that people might (if they knew about it) pay more for e.g. fewer seats abreast is a bit like saying "why doesn't everyone buy Taste the Difference / Tesco Finest - surely it's much nicer than 'value' ".

my 2 pence.
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by Can I help you View Post
A Captain told me that there are 12 white B747s in Seattle waiting to be painted in our livery.
interesting.

part of me was thinking that with oil prices at where they are, suddenly the 'fuel hungry' birds aren't as uneconomical anymore if there's a short-term gap to be filled.....
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:44 am
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Originally Posted by Can I help you View Post
No details sorry although I think that it's unlikely mores the pity.
I agree - it's highly unlikely.

There's only 20 un-delivered 747-8 orders according to wikipedia (of which 13 are the passenger variant) and they are moving to a production rate of just 1 a month in March - half the original rate.

12 undelivered -8s sitting there awaiting livery would be significant news wouldn't it? I mean they could just ship them out to the customers waiting!

Edit: Found the production sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...N59c_LHjU/pub#

There's 4 unallocated - of which 3 have yet to be built and the 4th is in long term storage. There's two more in long term storage too. Two of the unconstructed are freighters too.

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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by Can I help you View Post
A Captain told me that there are 12 white B747s in Seattle waiting to be painted in our livery.
This year must be going fast, it seems like 1st April already
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Old Jan 18, 16, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by Worcester View Post
I would be surprised if this was the case. The 747-8 has not been a roaring success (mores the pity) and if Boeing had sold them to BA they would be shouting this from the roof tops.

Would be good news if you are right though.
CIHY didnt say they were 747-8's

Maybe some second hand 744's BA has found knocking about!
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Old Jan 18, 16, 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by stewaran View Post
CIHY didnt say they were 747-8's

Maybe some second hand 744's BA has found knocking about!
Heading back to wikipedia again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400

According to that - the last passenger variant of the -400 rolled out in 2005. Even if they took on the last set of built variants - they'd be leasing planes not that much younger than their existing fleet.

Hard (but not impossible) to imagine they'd go that route.
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Old Jan 18, 16, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by stewaran View Post

Maybe some second hand 744's BA has found knocking about!
or maybe even BA's own old 744s...... with fuel prices where they are......
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Old Jan 18, 16, 8:14 am
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Originally Posted by chris1979 View Post
or maybe even BA's own old 744s...... with fuel prices where they are......
Aren't there exactly 12 stored since 2014?
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Old Jan 18, 16, 8:14 am
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Originally Posted by chris1979 View Post
or maybe even BA's own old 744s...... with fuel prices where they are......
That might be more likely:

http://www.thebasource.com/boeing747-400.html

Twelve withdrawn 747s in the last 2 years.
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Old Jan 18, 16, 8:16 am
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But does BA actually have a need for 12 more big planes right now? What would it do with them?
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Old Jan 18, 16, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by rossmacd View Post
That is appalling. It is a shame that (some) airlines would sink to such depths to pack as many people possible onto an aircraft.
I think the seats are the same width as the current 3x4x3 in 777s. Coming soon to a BA plane near you
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