Originally Posted by Sixth Freedom
(Post 26036254)
I agree. I cannot really see BA flying second hand!
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
(Post 26036398)
What I fail to understand is why people would put themselves through such conditions. Yes, I know it is about affordability vs market conditions, but surely a human being couldn't be comfortable in a 11-across A380?
But there are plenty of people who may do a long-haul trip once a decade. Even if not technically true, it'll feel like a trip of a lifetime for them, each time. Yet it'll also be a trip that they can barely afford, scraping together all the cash that they can. Will they be uncomfortable on board? If they get a cheap fare that enables the trip to take place at all, they won't much care, and certainly not in advance. For them, all long-haul travel is a mystifying ordeal anyway; the important thing is that they get to go where they're going. |
Originally Posted by rossmacd
(Post 26036398)
Absolutely agree that is a consequence of many people wanting to fly as cheaply as possible. What I fail to understand is why people would put themselves through such conditions. Yes, I know it is about affordability vs market conditions, but surely a human being couldn't be comfortable in a 11-across A380?
And I wonder how many people would still be happy with their cheap fare, if they knew in advance how cramped their seat was going to be... |
Originally Posted by rossmacd
(Post 26036398)
Absolutely agree that is a consequence of many people wanting to fly as cheaply as possible. What I fail to understand is why people would put themselves through such conditions. Yes, I know it is about affordability vs market conditions, but surely a human being couldn't be comfortable in a 11-across A380?
There is a distinct segment of the market that sees things in these terms but I would argue it is a much smaller portion of the market than many think it is (for instance the big supermarkets have been following the discounters lime Aldi and Lidl like sheep at exactly the same time as the premium market served by the likes of Waitrose or Booths is growing strongly). Whilst it is easier to pitch price as the only thing that people care about, that seems to me to be just a lazy way of thinking which fails to take account of the true complexity of most customers purchasing decisions. |
Great chance for BA to fit some new CW seats if it were to buy MH's A380s, although obviously they wouldn't!
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles
(Post 26036509)
I think that the argument that everyone wants something (be it groceries, household goods or flights) as cheaply as possible is overplayed.
There is a distinct segment of the market that sees things in these terms but I would argue it is a much smaller portion of the market than many think it is (for instance the big supermarkets have been following the discounters lime Aldi and Lidl like sheep at exactly the same time as the premium market served by the likes of Waitrose or Booths is growing strongly). Whilst it is easier to pitch price as the only thing that people care about, that seems to me to be just a lazy way of thinking which fails to take account of the true complexity of most customers purchasing decisions. When i chose my flights i look at the price, but i also look at the type of Aircraft operating it and the seating configurations available. I often dont book the cheapest flight, but rather the flight that will offer me the most comfort long haul. |
Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles
(Post 26036509)
I think that the argument that everyone wants something (be it groceries, household goods or flights) as cheaply as possible is overplayed.
There is a distinct segment of the market that sees things in these terms but I would argue it is a much smaller portion of the market than many think it is (for instance the big supermarkets have been following the discounters lime Aldi and Lidl like sheep at exactly the same time as the premium market served by the likes of Waitrose or Booths is growing strongly). Whilst it is easier to pitch price as the only thing that people care about, that seems to me to be just a lazy way of thinking which fails to take account of the true complexity of most customers purchasing decisions. |
I'd imagine if the engines are that inefficient, BA can talk to RR about replacing them or just the fan blades. A lot of airlines sign up with RR for this, as by putting in up to date fan blades, they can increase fuel efficiency by 1% to 2% (depending on how old the original ones are). As you can imagine, 1% improvement is a lot of fuel saved.
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles
(Post 26036509)
Whilst it is easier to pitch price as the only thing that people care about, that seems to me to be just a lazy way of thinking which fails to take account of the true complexity of most customers purchasing decisions.
I believe that some recent research has revealed that only a feeling of imminent danger can trump it (hence the demise of MH) but most people will suffer 8 hrs in a bad seat to save €100. (Family of 4... Do the math...) None of these people ever visit the BA forum. They hang out on the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mileage-run-deals-372/ section. :) |
Originally Posted by rossmacd
(Post 26036398)
What I fail to understand is why people would put themselves through such conditions. Yes, I know it is about affordability vs market conditions, but surely a human being couldn't be comfortable in a 11-across A380?
Originally Posted by planestupid
(Post 26036352)
If it's an ex-Malaysian 380 can we please keep the seats?
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Is there any plans for JFK T7 to become A380 friendly?
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A Captain told me that there are 12 white B747s in Seattle waiting to be painted in our livery.
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Originally Posted by GTR56
(Post 26036644)
Is there any plans for JFK T7 to become A380 friendly?
Interesting that WW is willing to disclose numbers on the extra A380's they are looking for - a potential fleet of 18 would be nice, and maybe moving the B77W fleet to between 18-20 as well (if they can find the aircraft). MH originally had looked at getting rid of 4 of their aircraft, keeping 2 for the LHR route (that was last years rumours) and Airbus have 2 white tailed Skymark aircraft sitting in TLS which they are keen to shift - so the 6 aircraft could come from those 2 sources (Skymark's engine choices are less of a concern given none had been fitted yet). Pilot37 |
Originally Posted by Pilot37
(Post 26036713)
MH originally had looked at getting rid of 4 of their aircraft, keeping 2 for the LHR route (that was last years rumours) and Airbus have 2 white tailed Skymark aircraft sitting in TLS which they are keen to shift - so the 6 aircraft could come from those 2 sources (Skymark's engine choices are less of a concern given none had been fitted yet).
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Originally Posted by Can I help you
(Post 26036708)
A Captain told me that there are 12 white B747s in Seattle waiting to be painted in our livery.
Would be good news if you are right though. |
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