BerksFlyer

The AMS-NYC fares seem to have been pulled.

JB7

Yes, a stopover would trigger additional UK tax. However it wouldn't be even approaching EUR850 on that ticket, and so wouldn't be the main driver of the fare increase in this instance.
Which still leaves me puzzled.

cysyuen

Hi all I am going to update the wiki.

Virazuno

And in it's place, FCO-NYC has popped up for around Ł1050ish (AY codes on the long-hauls).

Fare rules are a bit confusing though, as they contain both of the following:

EDIT:

So, the fare rules also say this...

...and I can't find the 'specific agent'. However, available through various OTAs for around Ł1130-Ł1150.

Calchas

When you include a stopover you are invoking a HIP check on your price ("Higher Intermediate Point") at the stopover point.

Your fare for the DUB-MVD component (768 EUR) is compared to the cheapest applicable I fares for LHR-MVD (1487 EUR) and DUB-LHR. It is cheaper than LHR-MVD, so it isn't allowed. (Prices there are half-round trip.)

However, the fare can be used if the price is manually brought up to the LHR-MVD level (1487).

But if we are going to do that, and all the fares under 1487 will essentially be raised to that price, we may as well use the most flexible of the DUB-MVD I fares, which is the INE8A6R5 fare.

The remainder of the difference is the UK APD.

Matrix has omitted the following information from its rule dump:
The HIP rule applies unless the fare says otherwise. It doesn't say otherwise so the HIP check must be done, and your cheap fare fails the check.

BA does not worry about HIP checks, their fares instruct the pricer to ignore the HIP check. But AA still does.

Edit: Lufthansa gives a more complete description of how to apply HIP checks in this handy PDF: media_686062.pdf See pages 47 to 53.

dolfinco

Need some help. Im pricing a DUB-LAS-BRU on ITA and getting a Ł1235 with American Airlines, but when i go in to do the multi city option in AA.co.uk its trying to send me via madrid on either of the 2 DUB-LHR or LHR-BRU legs. It wont let me simply price the legs as shown on ITA. I have noticed that this straddles 2 sale fares, ILN8S4E1 and ILN2S4E1 so not sure if that has anything to do with it.

PS - I have been using the sort by schedule option so not that.

armouredant

dolfinco, I don't know how technically adept you are, but if you're using the Chrome web browser, you can get ITA to give you a booking link direct to AA's site. You'll need to use Chrome's developer tools and a third party script called ITA Power Tools to do it, but here's how:

1) Go to this url: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/St...pt_minified.js
2) Copy all of the code on that page to the clipboard.
3) In Chrome, get the results page you want to book open on ITA Matrix.
3) Hit Ctrl+Shift+J on your keyboard (or Cmd+Opt+J on a Mac) to open the developer console.
4) Paste the code into the box that appears at the bottom of the screen. Press enter.
5) Links should now have appeared to the right of the 'How to buy this ticket' part of the page. Click the one you want - probably American (Europe/Asia/Pacific).
6) Double check all of the flights in the American Airlines tab that opens up to ensure that they match what you wanted.

Enjoy!

PS - If, in future, anyone tells you to copy-paste stuff into the developer console on a banking site or a social network: do not.

dolfinco

Nice Job :-)

corporate-wage-slave

Which can be tricky on some devices and tablets, but if you click the Navigation Icon (the small 3 horizontal bar icon on top right or top left) it's typically More Tools then Developer Tools. On AA.com, watch the booking class, that doesn't always carry over correctly even if you use "/f BC=" on ITA Matrix

Yes. Handle with care and close down any other windows or frames currently open to these sorts of sites, email, BAEC or anywhere else password protected.

Tobias-UK

That looks like an interesting tool. Is there a similar tool for BA?

corporate-wage-slave

Unfortunately not. AA.com does book on BA flights (rarely cost effectively on a standalone basis) and there are the OTAs too.

Tobias-UK

Cheers CWS, that's a pity. I'll have to continue doing it the old-fashioned way

I'll try the AA one for fun and see how it goes.

armouredant

Power Tools does provide a booking link to BA's site, but I've yet to see it successfully populate an itinerary :-/

rossmacd

That is quite amazing ^

I tried to follow how to use this script from the actual FT thread, but its so complicated for a thicko like me. Your walkthough should be used as the only method to follow. Thank you.

Tobias-UK

It is actually a pretty good tool, not sure I'll find much use of it. My AA itineraries are usually straightforward ones, my BA ones can be complicated if I'm trying to fit in multiple countries and cities in to a single journey. I quite like the idea of BA being in control of my ticket ... just in case!

A great tool though which I'm sure many here will find very useful, thanks for sharing.