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Old Sep 24, 2015, 7:08 pm
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G-XLEA
Delivered on 4 Jul 2013

Went to SIN for maintenance on 30 May 2015 - extra revenue flight BA1011
Returned from SIN on 21 Jun 2015 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL for maintenance on 6 Mar 2017 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 12 Apr 2017 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL for maintenance on 22 Oct 2018 - positioning flight BA9173 from CRK after positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Returned from MNL on 17 Dec 2018 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL for maintenance on 24 Sep 2021 - positioning flight BA9171
Returned from MNL on 26 Oct 2021 - positioning flight BA9170 to MAD

Went to MNL for maintenance on 10 October 2023 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 20 November 2023 - positioning flight BA9171


G-XLEB
Delivered on 20 Sep 2013

Went to SIN for maintenance on 1 Sep 2015 - positioning flight BA9172
Returned from SIN on 24 Sep 2015 AM - cargo flight BA9174F

Went to MNL for maintenance on 12 Apr 2017 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 20 May 2017 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL for maintenance on 6 Jan 2019 - positioning flight BA9170 from LGW after positioning flight BA9171 from LHR (to facilitate 04:55 London departure)
Returned from MNL on 4 Mar 2019 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL for maintenance on 21 Dec 2021 - positioning flight BA9171
Returned from MNL on 7 Feb 2022 - positioning flight BA9170 to MAD

Went to MNL for maintenance on 19 Dec 2023 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 1 Feb 2024 - positioning flight BA9171


G-XLEC
Delivered on 19 Oct 2013

Went to SIN for maintenance on 24 Sep 2015 PM - positioning flight BA9173
Returned from SIN on 17 Oct 2015 - positioning flight BA9174

Went to MNL maintenance on 2 Aug 2017 - positioning flight BA9170
Left MNL on 9 Sep 2017 (with a 12 hour stop in KUL) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 10 Mar 2019 - positioning flight BA9170 from LGW after positioning flight BA9171 the previous evening from LHR (to facilitate 05:18 London departure)
Left MNL on 6 May 2019 (with a 14 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 4 Feb 2022 - positioning flight BA9177
Left MNL on 8 Mar 2022 - positioning flight BA9170 to MAD for storage

Went to MNL for maintenance on 28 Jan 2024 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 9th March 2024 - positioning flight BA9171


G-XLED
Delivered on 17 Jan 2014

Went to SIN for maintenance on 2 Jan 2016 - positioning flight BA9173
Returned from SIN on 24 Jan 2016 - revenue flight BA12

Went to MNL on 1 Oct 2017 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Left MNL on 8 Nov 2017 (with a 15 hour stop in KUL) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL on 12 Jun 2019 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN (with a stop in CRK to facilitate a specific MNL arrival time)
Returned from MNL on 6 Aug 2019 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL for maintenance on 16 Nov 2021 - positioning flight BA9170 from DOH
Returned from MNL on 23 Dec 2021 - positioning flight BA9170

Went to MNL for maintenance on 12 Dec 2023 - positioning flight BA9170 from LHR
Returned from MNL on 25 Jan 2024 - positioning flight BA9171 (flying last 3.5 hours at 43,000 ft)


G-XLEE
Delivered on 6 Mar 2014

Went to SIN for maintenance on 24 Jan 2016 - revenue flight BA11
Returned from SIN on 15 Feb 2016 - positioning flight

Went to MNL on 9 Nov 2017 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Returned from MNL on 16 Dec 2017 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL on 25 Aug 2019 - positioning flight BA9170 from LHR
Returned from MNL on 19 Oct 2019 (with a 15 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL on 8 Mar 2022 - positioning flight BA9171 from DOH
Left MNL on 14 Apr 2022 (local time) - positioning flight BA9172 to MAD

Went to MNL on 3 Mar 2024 - positioning flight BA9170
Expected to return from MNL around 10 Apr 2024


G-XLEF
Delivered on 15 May 2014

Went to SIN for maintenance on 26 Mar 2016 - positioning flight
Returned from SIN on 16 Apr 2016 - positioning flight

Went to MNL for maintenance on 21 Jan 2018 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Left MNL on 25 Feb 2018 (with a 16 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 23 Nov 2019 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN (with a 3 hour stop in CRK)
Left MNL on 19 Jan 2020 (with a 16 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 3 Jan 2022 - positioning flight BA9172
Returned from MNL on 4 Feb 2022 - positioning flight BA9178

Went to MNL for maintenance on 21 Jan 2024 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 24 Feb 2024 - positioning flight BA9171


G-XLEG
Delivered on 11 Sep 2014

Went to SIN for maintenance on 4 Sep 2016 - positioning flight
Returned from SIN on 25 Sep 2016 - revenue flight BA12

Went to MNL for maintenance on 25 Feb 2018 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Left MNL on 9 Apr 2018 (with a 16 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 7 Mar 2020 - positioning flight BA9171 from LHR
Left MNL on 25 May 2020 - positioning flight BA9174 to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 1 Apr 2022 - positioning flight BA9171
Returned from MNL on 13 May 2022 - positioning flight BA9172


G-XLEH
Delivered on 16 Oct 2014

Went to SIN for maintenance on 25 Sep 2016 - revenue flight BA11
Returned from SIN on 15 Oct 2016 - positioning flight

Went to MNL for maintenance on 10 Aug 2018 - positioning flight BA9170 from LHR
Left MNL on 16 Sep 2018 (with a 7 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 21 May 2020 - positioning flight BA9173 from LHR
Departed MNL maintenance on 21 Aug 2020 (delayed by Covid-19) - positioning flight BA9170

Went to MNL for maintenance on 3rd August 2022 - positioning flight BA9173 from MAD
Returned from MNL on 11th September 2022 - positioning flight BA9170


G-XLEI
Delivered on 13 Feb 2015

Went to MNL for maintenance on 2 Jan 2017 - positioning flight
Returned from MNL on 21 Jan 2017 - positioning flight

Went to MNL on 16 Sep 2018 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Left MNL on 21 Oct 2018 (with a stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL on 18 Aug 2020 - positioning flight BA9171
Left MNL on 16 Oct 2020 - positioning flight BA9170

Went to MNL on 7th Sep 2022 - positioning flight BA9171
Returned from MNL on 28th Oct 2022 - positioning flight BA9171


G-XLEJ
Delivered on 10 Nov 2015

Went to MNL for maintenance on 9 Sep 2017 - positioning flight BA9170 from SIN
Left MNL on 28 Sep 2017 (with a 3.5 day stop in KUL) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL on 7 May 2019 - positing flight BA9172/3 from SIN via 3 hours in CRK
Left MNL on 11 Jun 2019 (with a stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 1 Feb 2022 - positioning flight BA9179 from DOH
Left MNL on 16th Jul 2022 - positioning flight BA9170


G-XLEK
Delivered on 3 Feb 2016

Went to MNL for maintenance on 2 Jan 2018 - positioning flight from LHR
Left MNL on 21 Jan 2018 (with a 15 hour stop in KUL) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL on 19 Oct 2019 - positioning flights BA9172/3 from SIN via CRK
Left MNL on 22 Nov 2019 - (with a 15 hour stop in CRK) - revenue flight BA12 from SIN to LHR

Went to MNL for maintenance on 23 Oct 2021 - positioning flight BA9171
Returned from MNL on 5 Jan 2022 - positioning flight BA9173 to MAD

Went to MNL for maintenance on 19 Nov 2023 - positioning flight BA9170 from LGW after positioning flight BA9173 from LHR previous evening (to facilitate 03:50 departure from London)
Returned from MNL on 23 Dec 2023 - positioning flight BA9171


G-XLEL
Delivered on 22 Jun 2016

Went to MNL for maintenance on 9 Apr 2018 - positioning flight BA9172 from SIN
Left MNL on 28 Apr 2018 - positioning flight BA9171

Went to MNL on 19 Jan 2020 - positioning flights BA9172/3 from SIN via CRK (2 hours)
Left MNL on 23 Feb 2020 - positioning flight BA9170

Went to MNL for maintenance on 8 Feb 2022 - positioning flight BA9174
Left MNL on 1 Apr 2022 - positioning flight BA9170

Went to MNL on 20 Feb 2024 - positioning flight BA9170
Returned from MNL on 28 Mar 2024 - positioning flight BA9171


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Old Sep 6, 2015, 5:31 am
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Originally Posted by fartoomanyusers
I don't think this is correct (although it may sometimes happen by chance), as BA don't have enough A380s, and the delivery schedule doesn't matching the timing of C-checks - which generally takes place every 20-24 months, and last around 3 weeks.
Aren't your calculations based on an unrealistic level of precision about the timing of the C check? In the context of when these checks need to be done, and the variability of all the factors involved, the difference between the suggested return date of LEB and the departure date of LEC (21 September and 1 October) is negligible. I would have thought that the availability of space at the SIN contractor alone would be more important than those 9 days.
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Aren't your calculations based on an unrealistic level of precision about the timing of the C check? In the context of when these checks need to be done, and the variability of all the factors involved, the difference between the suggested return date of LEB and the departure date of LEC (21 September and 1 October) is negligible. I would have thought that the availability of space at the SIN contractor alone would be more important than those 9 days.
Absolutely. I was just trying to illustrate that Sigwx's suggestion that there would be a one in one out process wasn't going to happen - although it may occasionally by chance !
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Old Sep 6, 2015, 2:42 pm
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I wonder if there had been (or will be) any future large A380 order then inhouse hanger mods would be deemed financially viable for heavy checks at ie CWL or LHR.
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Old Sep 6, 2015, 4:15 pm
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Absolutely. I was just trying to illustrate that Sigwx's suggestion that there would be a one in one out process wasn't going to happen - although it may occasionally by chance !
Does it actually illustrate anything? I could see how, in theory, BA might book the centre for a series of C checks back-to-back, even if some of them end up being done a little earlier than they strictly need to be. Time since delivery date doesn't determine when a check needs to be done. BA might, in theory, have been managing aircraft use to make the chronologically newer aircraft reach their C-check points faster, so that back-to-back checks can be done like that.

We here just don't know. We have no information about that. And so we're in no position to say whether the plan outlined by Sigwx (who I think is in a position to access internal information) would or wouldn't work.
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Old Sep 7, 2015, 4:37 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
Does it actually illustrate anything? I could see how, in theory, BA might book the centre for a series of C checks back-to-back, even if some of them end up being done a little earlier than they strictly need to be. Time since delivery date doesn't determine when a check needs to be done. BA might, in theory, have been managing aircraft use to make the chronologically newer aircraft reach their C-check points faster, so that back-to-back checks can be done like that.

We here just don't know. We have no information about that. And so we're in no position to say whether the plan outlined by Sigwx (who I think is in a position to access internal information) would or wouldn't work.
We've already seen XLEA returning over two months before XLEB went out - so Sigwx's suggestion has already not happened.
For a perfect one in one out scenario, you would want the delivery dates spaced 3 weeks apart (the length of a C-check) - but the delivery dates are so wildly different, that it's really hard to see (even with differential a/c hours and sending an a/c off early) how a regular one in one out process could happen.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-tracker.html#

As I said, it might occasionally happen by chance - and in fact the best opportunity is actually XLEB/C in a couple of weeks time !
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Perhaps the most efficient process would be for BA Holidays to develop an attractive three week Far East vacation package that would sell to a 380 full of passengers as needed.
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Perhaps the most efficient process would be for BA Holidays to develop an attractive three week Far East vacation package that would sell to a 380 full of passengers as needed.
Genuinely attractive or a manifest error?
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Genuinely attractive or a manifest error?
It could certainly look like an error if they discounted the fare by what it would cost to fly there empty anyway.
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 7:58 am
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No swapover this time
Originally Posted by fartoomanyusers
updated timings:

G-XLEA
Delivered on 4 Jul 2013
Went to SIN for maintenance on 30 May 2015 (approx 23 months)
Returned from SIN on 21 June 2015 (approx 3 weeks in maintenance)

G-XLEB
Delivered on 20 Sep 2013
Went to SIN for maintenance on 1 Sep 2015 (approx 23 months)
Returned from SIN on 24 Sep 2015

G-XLEC
Delivered on 19 Oct 2013
Will presumably go to SIN for maintenance approx 1 Oct 2015
Will presumably return from SIN approx 21 Oct 2015


G-XLED
Delivered on 17 Jan 2014
Will presumably go to SIN for maintenance approx 1 Dec 2015
Will presumably return from SIN approx 21 Dec 2015

etc.
the best chance BA had of doing a swapover (considering the original delivery schedule) was XLEB coming home, and XLEC going out ... but they didn't do it.

Also, XLEB returned as a positioning flight - rather than as an additional service. I guess there's more chance of the sector to SIN for maintenance being operated as an additional service (as they did with XLEA).

http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...e-maintenance/
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 8:13 am
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LEC leaves for SIN this evening.
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by BApilotinsider
LEC leaves for SIN this evening.
does that mean that they will never do a swapover ... that they will always want to get the previous aircraft back to LHR before the next one is sent out ?
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Old Sep 24, 2015, 6:03 pm
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I wonder if there had been (or will be) any future large A380 order then inhouse hanger mods would be deemed financially viable for heavy checks at ie CWL or LHR.
If the A380-800neo or A380-900 is developed and the economics of the aircraft are decent, there could be a few orders to replace 747s in a capacity-constrained LHR
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If the A380-800neo or A380-900 is developed and the economics of the aircraft are decent, there could be a few orders to replace 747s in a capacity-constrained LHR
I'd love to see this happen. The 380 is far superior to the 747 in my experience. Admittedly I haven't flown on the 787 or 77W yet.
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Old Jan 26, 2016, 10:06 am
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BA finally managed to execute a swapover !

http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...e-maintenance/
http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...e-maintenance/


it looks like the next opportunity will be XLEG/XLEH in August.
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Old Feb 16, 2016, 11:36 am
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another empty flight
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