BA clamping down on missed final ex-EU sector [?]
Jul 20, 2015, 5:33 am
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I have just read the conditions of carriage on BA and they specifically state that you can request a partial refund (in this case just taxes and surcharges) if you cancel your ticket mid-journey. This is different than changing your itinerary mind you. 
You only need a valid reason if you request BA to refund the non-refundable part.
You only need a valid reason if you request BA to refund the non-refundable part.
Such clauses usually also contain the wording 'subject to recalculation for legs already flown' which means they work out the price of what you've done if booked standalone and knock that off what you paid. Which, in this case, would be minus Ł3000 or so!
Jul 20, 2015, 5:34 am
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Unless your ticket is fully flexible, doesn't it all become non-refundable once you have flown the first leg?
Such clauses usually also contain the wording 'subject to recalculation for legs already flown' which means they work out the price of what you've done if booked standalone and knock that off what you paid. Which, in this case, would be minus Ł3000 or so!
Such clauses usually also contain the wording 'subject to recalculation for legs already flown' which means they work out the price of what you've done if booked standalone and knock that off what you paid. Which, in this case, would be minus Ł3000 or so!
Jul 20, 2015, 5:40 am
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I suggest you go re-read the Executive Club Terms & Conditions (You did read them at the time of joining, right?!)... BA can have rid of you in a Heartbeat without a single worm escaping the can.
Jul 20, 2015, 5:45 am
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Here?
(Emphasis added.)
10c3) If you have used part of the ticket, the refund will be equal to the difference between the fare and any surcharge, taxes, fees and charges you have paid and the correct fare, surcharge, taxes, fees and charges for travel between the points for which you have used the ticket, less any cancellation and reasonable service charge.
Jul 20, 2015, 5:52 am
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Probably. So that just means you should not ask for a refund.
BA even answers a similar question in their FAQs.
A lot of meaningless words that say that the only penalty BA can enforce is cancelation of the remainder of the ticket. Which is basically the same as answering "YES!"... Seems logical to me.
BA even answers a similar question in their FAQs.
Question
Can I change / use my return ticket for a one-way journey?
Answer
The fare you have paid is based on the journey shown on your e-ticket receipt, i.e. for a return journey it will detail specific outbound and return flights.
If you want to change all or part of your journey, you'll need to contact British Airways or your travel agent (whoever you booked your ticket with), or visit Manage My Booking on ba.com. If your fare type allows the kind of changes you need, we'll recalculate the new fare for your proposed change.
It's important to note that flights listed on your e-ticket can't be used out of sequence - this means that if you don't tell us in advance about the change you need and choose not to travel on one of your flights, it will unfortunately invalidate all remaining unused flights on your e-ticket and they will be automatically cancelled.
Can I change / use my return ticket for a one-way journey?
Answer
The fare you have paid is based on the journey shown on your e-ticket receipt, i.e. for a return journey it will detail specific outbound and return flights.
If you want to change all or part of your journey, you'll need to contact British Airways or your travel agent (whoever you booked your ticket with), or visit Manage My Booking on ba.com. If your fare type allows the kind of changes you need, we'll recalculate the new fare for your proposed change.
It's important to note that flights listed on your e-ticket can't be used out of sequence - this means that if you don't tell us in advance about the change you need and choose not to travel on one of your flights, it will unfortunately invalidate all remaining unused flights on your e-ticket and they will be automatically cancelled.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:04 am
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The likelihood of BA suing customers for damages is slim. The place this is easily dealt with is through BAEC and by shutting off TA's and holding corporate customers to heel for their employees' actions (e.g., cancelling future discounts).
Nobody wants the can of worms opened as to whether they actually do have a property right earned for benefits paid for by a third party, e.g. employer. The individual income tax consequences can become quite substantial for the frequent business flyer.
Lastly, maybe the real losers here are the Irish. If the losses to BA from this scheme are such that they have drawn significant attention, maybe xDUB pricing is changed to make it less favorable or to prohibit routings through LON.
Nobody wants the can of worms opened as to whether they actually do have a property right earned for benefits paid for by a third party, e.g. employer. The individual income tax consequences can become quite substantial for the frequent business flyer.
Lastly, maybe the real losers here are the Irish. If the losses to BA from this scheme are such that they have drawn significant attention, maybe xDUB pricing is changed to make it less favorable or to prohibit routings through LON.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:09 am
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They are NIL... BA can't sue. It is scaremongering and it would pay if owners of travel blogs did a bit more research before quoting so-called reliable sources.
Do a dummy booking to HKG ex-EU. On the 'price' page it will clearly show you 4 flights with 4 Fare conditions. Each flight is separate. The only problem is that cancelation of / no-show for any segment may (they don't even say will) cancel the entire ticket. It is also what BA says in their conditions. That matters for any segment but the last...
So it is completely legal. Nothing to sue over.
Do a dummy booking to HKG ex-EU. On the 'price' page it will clearly show you 4 flights with 4 Fare conditions. Each flight is separate. The only problem is that cancelation of / no-show for any segment may (they don't even say will) cancel the entire ticket. It is also what BA says in their conditions. That matters for any segment but the last...
So it is completely legal. Nothing to sue over.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:12 am
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Jul 20, 2015, 6:15 am
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If BA is scaremongering and using you for that, maybe you should re-evaluate your relationship with them. For your own sake.
Maybe those sources can tell you how they legally think they can carry out what the claim ? They can't even reciprocate by expelling me, because I broke no rule.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:27 am
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Yes simple to do, a bigger deterrent than any legal action and the general public wouldn't give a hoot if it made the papers.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:31 am
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What are the latest 'being evicted from my FFP' stories anyway ?
I think I read something about AA members being punished for buying up fully refundable F inventory to increase op-up chances ? Any others ?
Jul 20, 2015, 6:35 am
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Well, it's not that difficult to make a stink about 'BA is stealing my Avios' in the media either. However, since this is all nonsense and nobody has ever been evicted from BAEC for this or not using a return, I don't think we need to worry. Especially since it is all legal.
Whilst BA's T&Cs can say what they want, I'd like to think that consumer law would protect people in such case, especially where its not clear that the person did anything in contravention of the T&Cs.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:37 am
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I can just take my Ex EU flying to virgin then - no problem - the fares are often very similar except in cases of ultra special offers.
Jul 20, 2015, 6:48 am
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I know you as reliable but maybe before publishing this on your forum which depends on your credibility (congrats on the success btw !! ^) it may be wise to check if it is even legally possible.
If BA is scaremongering and using you for that, maybe you should re-evaluate your relationship with them. For your own sake.
If BA is scaremongering and using you for that, maybe you should re-evaluate your relationship with them. For your own sake.
For my own part, I would be more concerned about Raffles' credibility were he to assert that BA hasn't got a legal leg to stand on.