BA Fifth Freedom flights in the Caribbean

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Quick list of Caribbean stations for use in ITA, etc (click to view routes on Great Circle Mapper): ANU,GCM,GND,NAS,PLS,POS,SKB,TAB,UVF

Caribbean - northern summer 2015
Code:
BA 253   NAS-GCM  Nassau to Grand Cayman      16:05 - 16:40  Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri
BA 252   GCM-NAS  Grand Cayman to Nassau      18:30 - 21:00  Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri
BA 2157  ANU-TAB  Antigua to Tobago           15:10 - 16:30  Mon, Fri
BA 2156  TAB-ANU  Tobago to Antigua           18:15 - 19:35  Mon, Fri
BA 2157  ANU-GND  Antigua to Grenada          15:10 - 16:20  Tue
BA 2156  GND-ANU  Grenada to Antigua          17:50 - 19:00  Tue
BA 2157  ANU-SKB  Antigua to St Kitts         15:10 - 15:40  Wed, Sat
BA 2256  SKB-ANU  St Kitts to Antigua         17:10 - 17:40  Wed, Sat
BA 2157  ANU-PLS  Antigua to Providenciales   15:10 - 17:05  Sun
BA 2256  PLS-ANU  Providenciales to Antigua   18:35 - 20:30  Sun
BA 2159  UVF-POS  St Lucia to Port of Spain   14:45 - 15:50  Not Sat
BA 2158  POS-UVF  Port of Spain to St Lucia   17:35 - 18:35  Not Sat
BA 2159  UVF-GND  St Lucia to Grenada         14:45 - 15:30  Sat
BA 2159  UVF-GND  St Lucia to Grenada         14:45 - 15:30  Tue (22.09-06.10)
BA 2158  GND-UVF  Grenada to St Lucia         17:00 - 17:45  Sat
BA 2158  GND-UVF  Grenada to St Lucia         17:50 - 18:35  Tue (22.09-06.10)
Caribbean - northern winter 2015/16
Code:
BA 253   NAS-GCM  Nassau to Grand Cayman      15:55 - 17:30  Tue, Wed, Fri, Sat
BA 252   GCM-NAS  Grand Cayman to Nassau      19:15 - 20:45  Tue, Wed, Fri, Sat
BA 2157  ANU-TAB  Antigua to Tobago           16:05 - 17:30  Mon, Fri
BA 2156  TAB-ANU  Tobago to Antigua           19:10 - 20:30  Mon, Fri
BA 2157  ANU-SKB  Antigua to St Kitts         16:05 - 16:35  Wed, Sat
BA 2256  SKB-ANU  St Kitts to Antigua         18:05 - 18:35  Wed, Sat
BA 2157  ANU-PLS  Antigua to Providenciales   16:05 - 17:00  Thu, Sun
BA 2156  PLS-ANU  Providenciales to Antigua   18:30 - 21:20  Thu, Sun
BA 2159  UVF-POS  St Lucia to Port of Spain   16:00 - 17:00  Not Wed or Sat
BA 2158  POS-UVF  Port of Spain to St Lucia   18:45 - 19:45  Not Wed or Sat
BA 2159  UVF-GND  St Lucia to Grenada         16:00 - 16:50  Wed, Sat
BA 2158  GND-UVF  Grenada to St Lucia         18:20 - 19:10  Wed, Sat
Caribbean - northern summer 2016
Code:
BA 253   NAS-GCM  Nassau to Grand Cayman      16:05 - 16:40  Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri
BA 252   GCM-NAS  Grand Cayman to Nassau      18:30 - 21:00  Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri
BA 2157  ANU-TAB  Antigua to Tobago           15:10 - 16:30  Mon, Fri
BA 2156  TAB-ANU  Tobago to Antigua           18:15 - 19:35  Mon, Fri
BA 2157  ANU-SKB  Antigua to St Kitts         15:10 - 15:40  Wed, Sat
BA 2256  SKB-ANU  St Kitts to Antigua         17:10 - 17:40  Wed, Sat
BA 2157  ANU-PLS  Antigua to Providenciales   15:10 - 17:05  Thu, Sun
BA 2256  PLS-ANU  Providenciales to Antigua   18:35 - 20:30  Thu, Sun
BA 2159  UVF-POS  St Lucia to Port of Spain   14:45 - 15:50  Not Wed or Sat
BA 2158  POS-UVF  Port of Spain to St Lucia   17:35 - 18:35  Not Wed or Sat
BA 2159  UVF-GND  St Lucia to Grenada         14:45 - 15:30  Wed, Sat
BA 2158  GND-UVF  Grenada to St Lucia         17:00 - 17:45  Wed, Sat
Non-Caribbean - northern summer 2015
Code:
BA 125   BAH-DOH  Bahrain to Doha             20:20 - 21:10
BA 124   DOH-BAH  Doha to Bahrain             23:00 - 23:45
BA 73    AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat         20:35 - 21:40  Not Fri
BA 73    AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat         19:50 - 20:55  Fri
BA 72    MCT-AUH  Muscat to Abu Dhabi         23:30 - 00:35
BA 15    SIN-SYD  Singapore to Sydney         19:20 - 05:05
BA 16    SYD-SIN  Sydney to Singapore         15:30 - 21:45
Non-Caribbean - northern winter 2015/16
Code:
BA 125    BAH-DOH  Bahrain to Doha            20:55 - 21:45  Not Sun
BA 125    BAH-DOH  Bahrain to Doha            20:50 - 21:40  Sun
BA 124    DOH-BAH  Doha to Bahrain            23:45 - 00:35
BA 73     AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat        21:50 - 22:50  Mon
BA 73     AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat        21:40 - 22:40  Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri
BA 73     AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat        21:55 - 22:55  Sat, Sun
BA 72     MCT-AUH  Muscat to Abu Dhabi        00:30 - 01:35  Mon
BA 72     MCT-AUH  Muscat to Abu Dhabi        00:25 - 01:30  Not Mon
BA 15     SIN-SYD  Singapore to Sydney        20:05 - 07:00
BA 16     SYD-SIN  Sydney to Singapore        16:25 - 21:30
Non-Caribbean - northern summer 2016
Code:
BA 125   BAH-DOH  Bahrain to Doha             20:20 - 21:10
BA 124   DOH-BAH  Doha to Bahrain             23:00 - 23:45
BA 73    AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat         20:35 - 21:40  Not Fri
BA 73    AUH-MCT  Abu Dhabi to Muscat         19:50 - 20:55  Fri
BA 72    MCT-AUH  Muscat to Abu Dhabi         23:30 - 00:35
BA 15    SIN-SYD  Singapore to Sydney         19:20 - 05:05
BA 16    SYD-SIN  Sydney to Singapore         15:30 - 21:45
Notes:-
  1. Flights and times are subject to variation and schedule changes. Please check an official source for up-to-date information before relying on any schedules.
  2. These times do not include allowances for non-standard daylight saving time change dates. Typically, a departure time or an arrival time will be different by one hour for a few weeks until standard time zone spacings are restored.
  3. Please keep this updated in the event of schedule changes, particularly for northern winter 2015/16 (which may still be being schedule-changed).
  4. Northern summer 2016 schedules should be regarded as even more provisional.
  5. Times do not include day change indicators, for formatting reasons - please use your common sense.
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Old Jul 2, 15, 8:16 am
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Originally Posted by EsherFlyer View Post
Although I get quite a lot of useful info from my queries maybe this is a stretch too far?
Yes, it can be hard to know when to stop.

Don't forget CBG-GOT!
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Old Jul 2, 15, 8:18 am
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We could have separate fifth freedom threads for other regions perhaps.

(But the flights in ZA are operated by a local carrier, not requiring fifth [or seventh or ninth] freedom rights)
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Old Jul 2, 15, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
We could have separate fifth freedom threads for other regions perhaps.

(But the flights in ZA are operated by a local carrier, not requiring fifth [or seventh or ninth] freedom rights)
Yes, the wiki is already out of sorts with the title.

"Non-UK BAEC tier qualifying flight options" is the cover-all I think. Given that each set is quite small I think a single thread / Wiki should suffice.
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Old Jul 2, 15, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by EsherFlyer View Post
Yes, the wiki is already out of sorts with the title.

"Non-UK BAEC tier qualifying flight options" is the cover-all I think. Given that each set is quite small I think a single thread / Wiki should suffice.
I concur, one thread should suffice, given this is quite a niche interest and need anyway
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I just saw how nice you guys made the wiki! This is really helpful!

Making it this easy to spot and book - Now I wonder what uplift the BA rev management will see in the booking of these flights with Cash/Avios.
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Old Jul 2, 15, 8:32 am
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Yes, it can be hard to know when to stop.

Don't forget CBG-GOT!
That has UK origin / end, so is correctly not in my list .

If the Sun Air and others do count for qualifying I can try and expand the data to be Wiki ready.

Has anyone flown LVI-VFA (Livingstone - Victoria Falls) and can confirm either way ?

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Old Jul 2, 15, 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
We could have separate fifth freedom threads for other regions perhaps.
Yes, the wiki is already out of sorts with the title.
I was on a roll, so finished the work on all the BA-operated flights.

I'm agnostic about whether to have one thread or many, but at least the information in the wikipost can easily be transplanted by copy-and-paste!
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Old Jul 2, 15, 11:05 am
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Are you sure about the times for this? I see that you edited the wikipost from "1735-1835" to "1745-1845" - yet everything that I can see for January 2016 suggests that POS-UVF will be at 1845-1945.
You are right. Sorry for the confusion. My flight in January is indeed 18:45-19:45.

Thanks very much for the non-Caribbean additions, and now I guess the thread title needs to be changed!

As for the question of whether flight times should be included, I am inclined to say yes just because daylight savings/summer time vs. standard time won't be THAT different (e.g. a flight shouldn't change from morning to evening), and it's handy to at least have a rough idea of how much time you might have between flights if you're doing more than one on a day.

I am also strongly in favor of keeping the days of the week in there because (for the Caribbean routes), flight frequency can be quite a challenge to creating viable itineraries.
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I've now added information for northern summer 2016, but this should be regarded as provisional.
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Old Jan 28, 16, 4:04 pm
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Regarding the Caribbean routes, I've just finished my TP/qualifying flights run for the 2015/16 earning year and flew four of them: POS-UVF, UVF-GND, GND-UVF, and UVF-POS. I flew in WT (the longest of these flights was 45 minutes) and all the flights were very thinly populated, so I got the same bulkhead seat (26C) on all of them. 10 TPs per leg. Lounge access for BA golds is available at all these airports, which is nice, and the flights were all on time. The only downside is that if you get onto the plane after it's just dropped off the LGW pax, you're likely to get a seat full of trash...but there are plenty of empty seats to dump it onto.
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Now if only there were some codeshares with BA from some of those spots, it would become a lot easier to have NA golds.
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Now if only there were some codeshares with BA from some of those spots, it would become a lot easier to have NA golds.
I'm sure you could do this and build a codeshare itinerary with AA; they fly to many (all?) of BA's Caribbean destinations. As an example, I flew GND-MIA-LAX-OGG-LAX-MIA-GND last month on AA, combining it with some BA Caribbean short hops (to which I positioned from PHL on AA), to achieve a substantial chunk of my Gold renewal in one trip. I did not do this on a single itinerary, because that would have increased the cost dramatically--but it could be done.

I'll be doing those trips annually--or more frequently if I can manage it--for the next 4000 TPs until I hit LTG.
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I'm sure you could do this and build a codeshare itinerary with AA;

I couldn't find one that let me get a codeshare on matrix - let me know if you do!
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Sorry, but I'm not totally clear on what you are trying to achieve. Are you looking for a single itinerary that includes one or more of these flights plus some AA flights within NA? I tried this when I was cobbling together the trips I took last month, and it could be booked, but the total cost was much higher than separate tickets. I would have loved to do it all on one ticket, so as to have misconnect protection (my solution for that was a lot of overnight stays), but the cost was prohibitive.
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Old Feb 18, 16, 12:38 pm
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I couldn't find one that let me get a codeshare on matrix - let me know if you do!
I doubt you'll get BA codeshares on the AA flights within NA on the basis of a connection to BA wholly within the Caribbean.

But you only need four BA flights a year anyway so it's not that difficult right?
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