Here we go again ... an attempt to reduce TPs earned on US domestics?
Apr 17, 2015, 12:40 pm
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Here we go again ... an attempt to reduce TPs earned on US domestics?
So I was chatting to an ex-FTer just now and he observed that:
1. AA seem to have started loading and showing I availability on AA prime codes on (some?) two-class US domestics.
For example, BOS JFK doesn't have a J cabin, but if you are connecting to a l/h BA flight you see:
What's that I1 doing there? 
[EDIT: A2 yet I1, yet another minor kick in the teeth...]
2. Pulling up a sample I fare on EF (IL2UKJB) from BOS to LHR via JFK gives the booking class table showing language such as this
A permitted but only if I isn't offered? ....except now I is being offered? 
Now, call us paranoid, but could this be an a stealth reduction in TPs earned on US Domestic connections?
That 210+210+210 LCY-JFK-PHX-HNL run would look significantly less attractive if it's actually 140+140+140
For the "BA can do no wrong" crowd (you know who you are!), could I suggest ignoring this thread and instead spending a few minutes on http://www.ilovemyairline.com/ instead?
1. AA seem to have started loading and showing I availability on AA prime codes on (some?) two-class US domestics.
For example, BOS JFK doesn't have a J cabin, but if you are connecting to a l/h BA flight you see:
Code:
AA198 BOS-JFK F7 A2 P0 J3 I1 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 N7 L7 Q7 V7 O7 S7 G7
[EDIT: A2 yet I1, yet another minor kick in the teeth...]2. Pulling up a sample I fare on EF (IL2UKJB) from BOS to LHR via JFK gives the booking class table showing language such as this
Code:
VIA BA I REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED I- FARES WITHIN
USA
VIA BA A PERMITTED I- FARES WITHIN USA
Now, call us paranoid, but could this be an a stealth reduction in TPs earned on US Domestic connections?
That 210+210+210 LCY-JFK-PHX-HNL run would look significantly less attractive if it's actually 140+140+140
For the "BA can do no wrong" crowd (you know who you are!), could I suggest ignoring this thread and instead spending a few minutes on http://www.ilovemyairline.com/ instead?
Last edited by shorthauldad; Apr 17, 2015 at 12:45 pm
Apr 17, 2015, 12:45 pm
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A lot less attractive, but if we're honest, a lot more sensible.
I'd be as gutted with this change as anyone else, but I wouldn't be p*ssed off like with the seat selection enhancement, as I do think it's a reasonable (and probably inevitable) one.
I'd be as gutted with this change as anyone else, but I wouldn't be p*ssed off like with the seat selection enhancement, as I do think it's a reasonable (and probably inevitable) one.
Apr 17, 2015, 12:49 pm
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I hope this is just a one-off and not a general trend. I know something similar was happening on MIA-LAS flights (reported on FT few months ago), but have never seen it from BOS.
Apr 17, 2015, 12:50 pm
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I don't think it would be unreasonable provided that first class Avios redemptions on two-class services are also lowered to 2x Avios from 3x.
Of course, the thread is purely speculative at the moment. Not that you'd glean that from the thread title
Of course, the thread is purely speculative at the moment. Not that you'd glean that from the thread title
Apr 17, 2015, 12:50 pm
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I have to admit that the 210 we earned in "F" on a knackered old US 757 was a bit of a bonus on our HNL run, and seemed excessively generous.
However, such is life ... nobody owes me a free ride
However, such is life ... nobody owes me a free ride
Apr 17, 2015, 12:52 pm
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Of course, the thread is pure speculative at the moment.
Apr 17, 2015, 12:55 pm
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So I was chatting to an ex-FTer just now and he observed that:
1. AA seem to have started loading and showing I availability on AA prime codes on (some?) two-class US domestics.
For example, BOS JFK doesn't have a J cabin, but if you are connecting to a l/h BA flight you see:
What's that I1 doing there? [EDIT: A2 yet I1, yet another minor kick in the teeth...]
2. Pulling up a sample I fare on EF (IL2UKJB) from BOS to LHR via JFK gives the booking class table showing language such as this
A permitted but only if I isn't offered? ....except now I is being offered?
Now, call us paranoid, but could this be an a stealth reduction in TPs earned on US Domestic connections?
That 210+210+210 LCY-JFK-PHX-HNL run would look significantly less attractive if it's actually 140+140+140
For the "BA can do no wrong" crowd (you know who you are!), could I suggest ignoring this thread and instead spending a few minutes on http://www.ilovemyairline.com/ instead?
1. AA seem to have started loading and showing I availability on AA prime codes on (some?) two-class US domestics.
For example, BOS JFK doesn't have a J cabin, but if you are connecting to a l/h BA flight you see:
Code:
AA198 BOS-JFK F7 A2 P0 J3 I1 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 N7 L7 Q7 V7 O7 S7 G7
[EDIT: A2 yet I1, yet another minor kick in the teeth...]2. Pulling up a sample I fare on EF (IL2UKJB) from BOS to LHR via JFK gives the booking class table showing language such as this
Code:
VIA BA I REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED I- FARES WITHIN
USA
VIA BA A PERMITTED I- FARES WITHIN USA
Now, call us paranoid, but could this be an a stealth reduction in TPs earned on US Domestic connections?
That 210+210+210 LCY-JFK-PHX-HNL run would look significantly less attractive if it's actually 140+140+140
For the "BA can do no wrong" crowd (you know who you are!), could I suggest ignoring this thread and instead spending a few minutes on http://www.ilovemyairline.com/ instead?
The LCY JFK PHX HNL will only provide 140+210+210 for bookings made after the 28th but if I am reading this correctly you would still get !40 + 210+210 if you use AA on there transatlantic sector...rather than 140 + 140 + 140 is using BA.
Apr 17, 2015, 1:00 pm
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So if this applies only when you connect to or from BA, surely you just don't fly don't fly BA but use the rather good 777-300 which AA operate............ or am I missing something?
The LCY JFK PHX HNL will only provide 140+210+210 for bookings made after the 28th but if I am reading this correctly you would still get !40 + 210+210 if you use AA on there transatlantic sector...rather than 140 + 140 + 140 is using BA.
The LCY JFK PHX HNL will only provide 140+210+210 for bookings made after the 28th but if I am reading this correctly you would still get !40 + 210+210 if you use AA on there transatlantic sector...rather than 140 + 140 + 140 is using BA.
Apr 17, 2015, 1:01 pm
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It doesn't. The booking class table for AA fares has language with a similar effect, eg LHR BOS, AA fare IL2UKJB:
It's not about the metal you travel TATL on, it's that you might be forced to book in I (earning J TPs) for all the US domestic connections to a TATL.
Look at the booking class table for AA J fares.
EDIT: booking an AA I fare from LHR-JFK-BOS is going to put you in I for both sectors, even though on the JFK-BOS it's two-class and you'll be seated in F; you'll earn you 140+40 not 140+60 TPs.
Code:
IL2UKJB BETWEEN UNITED KINGDOM AND AREA 1 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES
BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS
VIA AA I REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED I- FARES BETWEEN
JFK-LAX
VIA AA I REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED I- FARES BETWEEN
JFK-SFO
VIA AA I REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED I- FARES BETWEEN
MIA-LAX
VIA AA I REQUIRED WHEN AVAILABLE I- FARES
Look at the booking class table for AA J fares.
EDIT: booking an AA I fare from LHR-JFK-BOS is going to put you in I for both sectors, even though on the JFK-BOS it's two-class and you'll be seated in F; you'll earn you 140+40 not 140+60 TPs.
Last edited by shorthauldad; Apr 17, 2015 at 1:06 pm
Apr 17, 2015, 1:12 pm
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Apr 17, 2015, 1:20 pm
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If you're of a nervous disposition and get Gold on the cheap don't read any further......
I thought the word was that partner tier point earning especially on US domestics was expected to be slashed soon anyway?
I thought the word was that partner tier point earning especially on US domestics was expected to be slashed soon anyway?