ex-DUB redemption; is this safe?
Feb 18, 2015, 2:40 am
#46
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I was worried about missing a flight, what on earth goes on in DUB? 
Feb 18, 2015, 2:47 am
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It is clear what I mean, if you re-read our conversation.
'May be re-routed' means people with separate tickets whom the airline decides to transfer on to later connections, even though there is no guarantee as there is with a single ticket, per your last sentence.
'May be re-routed' means people with separate tickets whom the airline decides to transfer on to later connections, even though there is no guarantee as there is with a single ticket, per your last sentence.
Feb 18, 2015, 2:50 am
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Let me put my perspective on this. DUB back to back is low risk, but not no risk. If you are risk adverse then handle it differently, particularly if you are not familiar with the airport layout. If you are familiar with the airport and can operate with a bit of risk to your life (and most of us do, actually) then go for it. Note that some DUB back to backs have slightly more turnaround time than other services. Yes I have had one 15 minutes delay with the gardaí, out of probably 100 sectors. 5 minutes is probably the average.
Leaving on the earlier flight - so not back to back - can paradoxically be more risky, the range of non-controlled variables actually goes up. However at some point the risk goes down again, simply because the gap between flights is so great that various other options can be considered, even if it involves buying a walk-up ticket without another airline in order to protect a more expensive longhaul.
How long does that gap need to be? Well it depends a bit on time of day, year and what not, but if you have 2 flights protection and you could go via an EI service in extremis then that's reasonably good, overnight even better.
Among the other ways to get to DUB are train, coach, drive+ferry and BHD + train services.
Leaving on the earlier flight - so not back to back - can paradoxically be more risky, the range of non-controlled variables actually goes up. However at some point the risk goes down again, simply because the gap between flights is so great that various other options can be considered, even if it involves buying a walk-up ticket without another airline in order to protect a more expensive longhaul.
How long does that gap need to be? Well it depends a bit on time of day, year and what not, but if you have 2 flights protection and you could go via an EI service in extremis then that's reasonably good, overnight even better.
Among the other ways to get to DUB are train, coach, drive+ferry and BHD + train services.
Feb 18, 2015, 2:55 am
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In that case, either you have not understood what I said about the DUB-LHR being cancelled when the LHR-DUB is cancelled so that you have a guarantee of entitlement to rerouting (as opposed to relying on goodwill of the airline) or you understood it but did not answer the point (unless what you had in mind but never said was Golfmad's point about the conceivability of the return not being cancelled even if the outbound is by reallocation of an aircraft from one service to another at DUB)
Feb 18, 2015, 2:57 am
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Have you been to Swords? I have. That's a whole new Risk Analysis Matrix coming along!
Feb 18, 2015, 3:01 am
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I'm looking at using a chunk of Avios for a weekend in PHL in August. snip...
Outbound:
0935-1055 LHR-DUB (cheap ET)
1135-1255 DUB-LHR (Avios in J)
1725-2010 LHR-PHL (Avios in J)
Inbound:
2200-1000 PHL-LHR (Avios in J)
1325-1440 LHR-DUB (Avios in J)
1730-1845 DUB-LCY (cheap ET)
snip...
Outbound:
0935-1055 LHR-DUB (cheap ET)
1135-1255 DUB-LHR (Avios in J)
1725-2010 LHR-PHL (Avios in J)
Inbound:
2200-1000 PHL-LHR (Avios in J)
1325-1440 LHR-DUB (Avios in J)
1730-1845 DUB-LCY (cheap ET)
snip...
Feb 18, 2015, 1:03 pm
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I would love to know how the OP is rationalising this...
98,000 miles and £296
vs
80,000 miles and £510
So you save £214 but spend an extra 18,000 miles. Then have to pay for the positioning flights to & from Dublin. Tops you save £100 but still spend an extra 18k miles AND have the risk of misconnecting.
I just don't get it....
98,000 miles and £296
vs
80,000 miles and £510
So you save £214 but spend an extra 18,000 miles. Then have to pay for the positioning flights to & from Dublin. Tops you save £100 but still spend an extra 18k miles AND have the risk of misconnecting.
I just don't get it....
Feb 18, 2015, 2:53 pm
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I would love to know how the OP is rationalising this...
98,000 miles and £296
vs
80,000 miles and £510
So you save £214 but spend an extra 18,000 miles. Then have to pay for the positioning flights to & from Dublin. Tops you save £100 but still spend an extra 18k miles AND have the risk of misconnecting.
I just don't get it....
98,000 miles and £296
vs
80,000 miles and £510
So you save £214 but spend an extra 18,000 miles. Then have to pay for the positioning flights to & from Dublin. Tops you save £100 but still spend an extra 18k miles AND have the risk of misconnecting.
I just don't get it....
It should cost an extra 4,500 Avios (why bother with Club from DUB??) and save £230. Less the cost of positioning flight (sometimes as low as £40-50).
Feb 21, 2015, 6:24 am
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Just to add to this here is a report of doing a back-to-back via the landside route at T1 posted by billinghamn
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24389317-post273.html
billinghamn took around 15 minutes from leaving the aircraft to getting back to the gate. That kind of timing is what I would expect.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24389317-post273.html
billinghamn took around 15 minutes from leaving the aircraft to getting back to the gate. That kind of timing is what I would expect.
Feb 21, 2015, 8:04 am
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For an upcoming ex-DUB trip I booked myself a late LCY flight with BA and a hotel in DUB. Plus a later FlyBe flight that's refundable (I'll need to fly LCY-DUB later in the year and BA only has an early departure on Saturdays)
Have thought about booking redemptions from DUB etc in the past, but like others the cost saving vs. hassle factor didn't stack up. Leaving LHR 8 hours earlier, and getting back to LHR 11 hours before finally getting to home airport - that's a big hassle factor (but everyone to their own)
Have thought about booking redemptions from DUB etc in the past, but like others the cost saving vs. hassle factor didn't stack up. Leaving LHR 8 hours earlier, and getting back to LHR 11 hours before finally getting to home airport - that's a big hassle factor (but everyone to their own)
Last edited by lorcancoyle; Feb 21, 2015 at 8:31 am
Feb 21, 2015, 11:22 am
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Once public - turn right, up escalators and walk past check-in area 4 (BA Zone) directly to Fast Track which is usually quiet. Once clear of security then turn right and immediately left - upstairs to DAA lounge where the very warm and welcoming staff will greet you awaiting your return flight. I would expect 12 minutes deplaning to DAA lounge and that's moving slowly. It is in no way dodgy.
Just to add to this here is a report of doing a back-to-back via the landside route at T1 posted by billinghamn
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24389317-post273.html
billinghamn took around 15 minutes from leaving the aircraft to getting back to the gate. That kind of timing is what I would expect.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24389317-post273.html
billinghamn took around 15 minutes from leaving the aircraft to getting back to the gate. That kind of timing is what I would expect.
Timed it on Thursday night - 8 minutes from stepping off the plane to being welcomed into the lounge by Niamh, the lovely DUB lounge angel. Going straight back to the plane would have added a whole minute. Honestly, same plane back to backs at this airport are a breeze! ^
For what it's worth, docgasman clearly knows his way around this airport (and seems to be well known by everyone in there!) so is worth listening to. His guide is spot on...
Last edited by Filthy Monkey; Feb 21, 2015 at 11:31 am
Feb 21, 2015, 12:04 pm
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8 Minutes Filthy Monkey - well done
billinghamn is clearly gettig old and docgasman? Well, that big brown bag of his is obviously slowing him down!
Timed it on Thursday night - 8 minutes from stepping off the plane to being welcomed into the lounge by Niamh, the lovely DUB lounge angel. Going straight back to the plane would have added a whole minute. Honestly, same plane back to backs at this airport are a breeze! ^
For what it's worth, docgasman clearly knows his way around this airport (and seems to be well known by everyone in there!) so is worth listening to. His guide is spot on...
Timed it on Thursday night - 8 minutes from stepping off the plane to being welcomed into the lounge by Niamh, the lovely DUB lounge angel. Going straight back to the plane would have added a whole minute. Honestly, same plane back to backs at this airport are a breeze! ^
For what it's worth, docgasman clearly knows his way around this airport (and seems to be well known by everyone in there!) so is worth listening to. His guide is spot on...
8 minutes sounds like a perfect transfer - no hitches, 12 minutes in normal circumstances and 15 minutes at the outside. Even with bags these appear on the carousel quickly (usual 10 minute wait) but there is a 45 minutes close off before departure time for each BA flight therefore one would not make baggage re-check cut off time for a Back to Back. (It has been known for Alan to authorise the reopening of check in up to 20 minutes before departure for the very regulars 
) I got away with the "Big Brown Bag" on an E190 to LCY yesterday - didn't think I would - and it fitted in the overhead bin laterally over 1A. Saved some time later in the day
Enjoy your weekend trip ^^
Feb 21, 2015, 1:53 pm
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My experience is that back-to-back at DUB can be risky. If you get two planes in at the same time it can easily be 20 minutes in the immigration queue. A ten minute walk through Customs and your time is gone.
I read on Twitter that mobile boarding passes are not working from Dublin at the moment, but have no idea if this is true. If it is you cannot take the short cut 'Connection' from the end of the baggage hall and so must go out and back in.
People seem to have good experiences of Dublin security - personally I have stood in line 10-20 minutes on average.
I think everyone has said B-2-B is risky at DUB.
I read on Twitter that mobile boarding passes are not working from Dublin at the moment, but have no idea if this is true. If it is you cannot take the short cut 'Connection' from the end of the baggage hall and so must go out and back in.
People seem to have good experiences of Dublin security - personally I have stood in line 10-20 minutes on average.
I think everyone has said B-2-B is risky at DUB.
I would love to know how the OP is rationalising this...
98,000 miles and £296
vs
80,000 miles and £510
So you save £214 but spend an extra 18,000 miles. Then have to pay for the positioning flights to & from Dublin. Tops you save £100 but still spend an extra 18k miles AND have the risk of misconnecting.
I just don't get it....
98,000 miles and £296
vs
80,000 miles and £510
So you save £214 but spend an extra 18,000 miles. Then have to pay for the positioning flights to & from Dublin. Tops you save £100 but still spend an extra 18k miles AND have the risk of misconnecting.
I just don't get it....