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The changes in summary
Applicable to bookings made from 28 April 2015
For more information, see BA's 28 January announcement and FAQ on ba.com
Earning
Changes to Avios accrual rates and tier bonuses
Earning with partners
Reduced earnings in Economy and Premium Economy
AA, IBERIA, JAL, LAN, TAM, ALASKA, SRI LANKAN, QANTAS, CATHAY.
Changes to tier bonuses
Changes to minimum Avios amounts (accrued per flight)
Changes to Tier Point earning rates
Spending
Promise of greater reward inventory/availability
Changes to standard flight redemption rates
Changes to Upgrade with Avios
Applicable to bookings made from 28 April 2015
For more information, see BA's 28 January announcement and FAQ on ba.com
Earning
Changes to Avios accrual rates and tier bonuses
- earning rates increase for flights booked in F, A, J, C, D, and W selling classes
- no change for flights booked in R, I, Y, B, and H selling classes
- earning rates reduce for flights booked in E, T, K, L, M, N, S, V, Q, O, and G selling classes
Earning with partners
Reduced earnings in Economy and Premium Economy
AA, IBERIA, JAL, LAN, TAM, ALASKA, SRI LANKAN, QANTAS, CATHAY.
Changes to tier bonuses
- no change to Gold tier bonuses (100%)
- Silver tier bonuses reduce from 100% to 50%
- no change to Bronze tier bonuses (25%)
Changes to minimum Avios amounts (accrued per flight)
- minimum thresholds increase for long haul premium fares (F, A, J, C, D, W)
- no change to restricted business class fares (R and I class) and flexible econony (Y, B, and H class)
- minimum thresholds decrease for WT+ (E and T class) - although there are no BA WTP flights that short
- minimum thresholds decrease from 500 to 250 Avios for mid priced economy (K, L, M, N, S, and V classes)
- minimum thresholds decrease from 500 to 125 Avios for cheapest economy (Q, O, and G classes)
Changes to Tier Point earning rates
- Club World London City flights reduce from 210 to 140 Tier Points
- Cheapest economy flights (in selling classes Q, O, and G) reduce from 50% to 25% Tier Points
- No change to minimum 2/4 segments for earning Bronze/Others
- No change to 25 segment / 50 segment Bronze/Silver earning option
- No other changes, thresholds still Bronze 300,Silver 600,Gold 1500,GGL 5000 (3000 to retain)
Spending
Promise of greater reward inventory/availability
- Guaranteed minimum 4 seats in economy on every flight
- Guaranteed minimum 2 seats in business on every flight
- Guaranteed seats will be available to book from 355 days before departure and may vanish 45 days before departure, if not already booked.
Changes to standard flight redemption rates
- Variable rates introduced divided into Off-peak and Peak
- For Peak time (school holidays and other busy times), and partner costs
- WT - stays the same cost
- WTP increases - from x1.5 to x2.0 multiplier (33% increase)
- Club World increases - from x2.0 to x3.0 multiplier (50% increase)
- First increases - from x3.0 to x4.0 multiplier (33% increase)
- For Off Peak time (including every Tuesday and Wednesday throughout the year)
- WT decreases by 35% from current values
- WT decreases by 13% from current values
- Club World increases by 25% from current values
- First increases by 13% from current values
- Free domestic add-ons abolished on short haul redemptions
- No word if CE redemptions will be charged 4500/Ł17.50 or 9000/Ł25 for the UK leg
- Variable rates introduced on Iberia
- Flight redemptions on BA's other airline partners will be charged at Peak rates all year round
Changes to Upgrade with Avios
- Eligible booking codes is set to increase in the near future, allowing mile upgrades from economy (WT and ET) for more travellers - K, L, M, N, S, and V classes added (exact fare codes subject to confirmation)
- Avios required for upgrade now based on the formula: Avios redemption price for the cabin you want to upgrade to, minus the Avios redemption price for the cabin you have paid for with cash. This means that certain off peak WTP to CW upgrades are more expensive than peak WTP to CW upgrades (assuming peak/off-peak variables will apply to UuA)
Executive Club Changes
#1441
Join Date: Oct 2009
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(IB domestic earns only 5TPs as it is, I doubt they'll reduce that to 2,5TPs)
#1442
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Programs: Star Alliance Gold (A3 Gold), Oneworld Emerald (BA Gold), Hilton Diamond
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Well looking at those charts that you posted Hannibal Lecter, it looks to me that any AA or IB coded flights flown after 28th April will earn the new rates.
Seems to me that again we've been deceived by BA because I was under the impression that ALL bookings made before that date earn TP's/Avios as now.
Seems to me that again we've been deceived by BA because I was under the impression that ALL bookings made before that date earn TP's/Avios as now.
#1443
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: UK
Programs: I go wherever the content takes me.
Posts: 5,698
Well looking at those charts that you posted Hannibal Lecter, it looks to me that any AA or IB coded flights flown after 28th April will earn the new rates.
Seems to me that again we've been deceived by BA because I was under the impression that ALL bookings made before that date earn TP's/Avios as now.
Seems to me that again we've been deceived by BA because I was under the impression that ALL bookings made before that date earn TP's/Avios as now.
#1444
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wedged somewhere between BTS and VIE ✈
Programs: Star Alliance Gold (A3 Gold), Oneworld Emerald (BA Gold), Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,336
If I have an existing booking for travel after 28 April, will I collect Avios and Tier Points based on the new rules?
No. All existing bookings will be honoured under the current rules; the new rules will only be applied to new bookings made on or after 28 April 2015.
No. All existing bookings will be honoured under the current rules; the new rules will only be applied to new bookings made on or after 28 April 2015.
#1445
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: UK
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 162
wrong thread!
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#1446
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: UK
Programs: I go wherever the content takes me.
Posts: 5,698
Executive Club Changes
Well that is true but note that the whole of the BAEC changes page and all of the FAQs are referencing changes to British Airways flights earning only. Some people read this as BA not wishing to address partner earnings at that time.
#1447
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Wedged somewhere between BTS and VIE ✈
Programs: Star Alliance Gold (A3 Gold), Oneworld Emerald (BA Gold), Hilton Diamond
Posts: 6,336
So BA metal booked into AA 'O' class, booked before 28th April but flown after, will earn 25% Avios, right?
#1448
Join Date: May 2008
Programs: BA
Posts: 199
I have a follow up question (because I never hav really understood codeshares, but until now it hasn't mattered): an AA metal booked in BA O class booked before apr 28 but flying afterwards - does this credit according to the BA or AA chart?
#1449
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: New York
Programs: QR Silver, BA Silver, FB Gold
Posts: 360
Now whether that brings it under the supposedly iron-clad guarantee for BA bookings made before Apr 28 or not, I have no idea. Presumably, it should.
#1450
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Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
I believe it goes according to the BA flight number, not the AA metal -- that's my understanding of how codeshares work under BAEC.
Now whether that brings it under the supposedly iron-clad guarantee for BA bookings made before Apr 28 or not, I have no idea. Presumably, it should.
Now whether that brings it under the supposedly iron-clad guarantee for BA bookings made before Apr 28 or not, I have no idea. Presumably, it should.
Use the marketing carrier's code (AA) and look that up on ba.com/executiveclub.
[But, if the flight is not operated by a oneworld carrier, it will [in most circumstances] earn zilch.]
#1451
Join Date: May 2008
Programs: BA
Posts: 199
Thanks for clarifying. I came to BA through bmi buyout, and on star alliance I believe it is the opposite (the metal counts, not marketing carrier), hence my confusion
#1452
Join Date: Jul 2014
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A booking made on aa.com which contains BA metal coded as AA will earn as stated on the new AA earnings table? The reason I still ask is that I have 2 booking numbers (AA's and BA's). Obviously when checking on aa.com the itinerary is all coded AA, but when I look on the Amadeus system the BA flights are coded with BA numbers. As this means a 16,000 difference in Avios, am I hoping for a miracle?!?
#1453
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Location: London
Posts: 17,007
Indeed I understand. Every alliance has its own "preference" and each carrier within the alliance has its own rules.
#1454
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Location: London
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Just so I completely understand this, as I'm still not 100% sure;
A booking made on aa.com which contains BA metal coded as AA will earn as stated on the new AA earnings table? The reason I still ask is that I have 2 booking numbers (AA's and BA's). Obviously when checking on aa.com the itinerary is all coded AA, but when I look on the Amadeus system the BA flights are coded with BA numbers. As this means a 16,000 difference in Avios, am I hoping for a miracle?!?
A booking made on aa.com which contains BA metal coded as AA will earn as stated on the new AA earnings table? The reason I still ask is that I have 2 booking numbers (AA's and BA's). Obviously when checking on aa.com the itinerary is all coded AA, but when I look on the Amadeus system the BA flights are coded with BA numbers. As this means a 16,000 difference in Avios, am I hoping for a miracle?!?
You have an AA flight on oneworld metal. If crediting to BAEC, you need to check the BAEC table for AA.
Last edited by Calchas; Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 am
#1455
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Yes, I understand. Never mind....you win some you lose some. Although there seems to be a lot of losing these days.