Dublin, Belfast and Barcelona Terminal Changes
Oct 26, 2014, 10:40 am
#16
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BA and TAM moves into T3 (from T1 and T5) cannot immediately take place due to the baggage system upgrade currently underway in T3. Once this completes, these flights can move into T3.
October 2015 is the published date for T1 closing to passengers, with the current 4 airlines moving in a phased manner between now and October 2015. The exact dates are not yet published.
October 2015 is the published date for T1 closing to passengers, with the current 4 airlines moving in a phased manner between now and October 2015. The exact dates are not yet published.
Oct 26, 2014, 10:49 am
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Passengers departing for DUB will be treated the same way as passengers departing for LHR's current set of domestic destinations, that is to say those connecting from a non-domestic flight will need to clear passport control, and all will have photographs taken for verification at the gate.
Oct 26, 2014, 1:49 pm
#18
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A few blurry photos from my arrival at LHR today from DUB.
There was a lot of activity/staff around. Even the sniffer dog came to greet us on the air-bridge.
We arrived at Gate A23 and on exiting the air-bridge, I turned right and found myself here:
(The sign says Arrivals, Baggage Claim, Flight Connections UK to the left, International Connections straight on)
As mentioned above, straight on, through the glass door for International Connections. Lots of staff hanging around today and the check is to make sure people are not without their passports.
I was landing so followed the arrivals route. See UK connections are sent down that path too. A left turn is needed to bring you here.
Baggage reclaim is on the other side of the glass to the right. We are one level up.
The white part of this sign contains text. See its reflection in the side panel. It says something like for UK connections go through customs and then up to Departures.
This passageway has the feel of the green mile - elevated, narrow and monotonous - easing the transition for those people having difficulty with the change to T5.
After passing through this one-way only door, we merge with passengers coming from one part of the UK Border and everyone descends the escalator to Baggage Reclaim.
There was a lot of activity/staff around. Even the sniffer dog came to greet us on the air-bridge.
We arrived at Gate A23 and on exiting the air-bridge, I turned right and found myself here:
(The sign says Arrivals, Baggage Claim, Flight Connections UK to the left, International Connections straight on)
As mentioned above, straight on, through the glass door for International Connections. Lots of staff hanging around today and the check is to make sure people are not without their passports.
I was landing so followed the arrivals route. See UK connections are sent down that path too. A left turn is needed to bring you here.
Baggage reclaim is on the other side of the glass to the right. We are one level up.
The white part of this sign contains text. See its reflection in the side panel. It says something like for UK connections go through customs and then up to Departures.
This passageway has the feel of the green mile - elevated, narrow and monotonous - easing the transition for those people having difficulty with the change to T5.
After passing through this one-way only door, we merge with passengers coming from one part of the UK Border and everyone descends the escalator to Baggage Reclaim.
Oct 27, 2014, 4:38 am
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A good point! Aliens are not supposed to be using the CTA arrangement and I know of one unlucky American who was "voluntarily" deported after she used it twice. (Her exit and subsequent entry to the UK was not recorded and she was treated as an overstayer.)
Oct 27, 2014, 4:57 am
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Oct 27, 2014, 5:16 am
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Personally, I think that if I were in your position, I would be bringing my passport if I wanted to make sure that I wasn't the subject of a difficult discussion at the port.
Oct 27, 2014, 5:35 am
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I think you need to bring your passport.
A passport is only not required for citizens of the UK or Ireland. Its sort of a situation where you need to show your passport as proof that you don't need your passport. That sort of twisted logic is part and parcel of the fabric of the Irish!
From the gov.uk sire
"Ireland, along with the UK, is a member of the Common Travel Area. British nationals travelling from the UK don’t need a passport to visit Ireland. However, Irish immigration officers will check the ID of all passengers arriving by air from the UK and may ask for proof of nationality, particularly if you were born outside the UK. You are therefore advised to take your British passport with you."
A passport is only not required for citizens of the UK or Ireland. Its sort of a situation where you need to show your passport as proof that you don't need your passport. That sort of twisted logic is part and parcel of the fabric of the Irish!
From the gov.uk sire
"Ireland, along with the UK, is a member of the Common Travel Area. British nationals travelling from the UK don’t need a passport to visit Ireland. However, Irish immigration officers will check the ID of all passengers arriving by air from the UK and may ask for proof of nationality, particularly if you were born outside the UK. You are therefore advised to take your British passport with you."
Oct 27, 2014, 6:16 am
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Please do enlighten me on this! As an American living in Britain and heading to DUB soon on BA, am I required to take my passport with me? I assumed the CTA was a de facto domestic flight that only required Customs to be cleared, so naturally I was assuming that I only needed my UK driver's licence to fly to DUB. Am I correct in that assumption? (Currently don't have access to Timatic)
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National USA (US) /Residence United Kingdom (GB) Embarkation United Kingdom (GB) Destination Ireland (Rep.) (IE) Passport required. - Passports and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for the period of intended stay. Passport Exemptions: - Holders of emergency or temporary passports. VISA NOT REQUIRED. Minors: - Children up to/incl.16 years of age - A separate visa is required for children up to/incl. 16 years of age, provided For details, click here - Pupils For details, click here Additional Information: - Visitors holding passports containing a British inadmissible stamp could be refused entry. - Visitors are required to hold proof of sufficient funds to cover their stay. Warning: - Immigration controls apply for visitors arriving from Great Britain and Northern Ireland, For details, click here - Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused entry.
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National United Kingdom (GB) Embarkation United Kingdom (GB) Destination Ireland (Rep.) (IE) Passport required. - British passports endorsed British Citizen must be valid on arrival. - British passports endorsed British Subject which also contain a Certificate of Entitlement to the Right of Abode issued by the United Kingdom, must be valid on arrival. - Other British passports and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for the period of intended stay. - British passports endorsed British Citizen that have been extended 12 months by an extension stamp contained within the passport are accepted. Passport Exemptions: - Holders of proof of nationality issued to nationals of Ireland (Rep.) and British subjects for travel between Ireland (Rep.) and Great Britain and Northern Ireland only. - Holders of emergency or temporary passports. Visa required, except for Holders of British passports endorsed: - British Citizen ; or - British National (Overseas) ; or - British Overseas Territories Citizen . Minors: - Children up to/incl.16 years of ageFor details, click here - A separate visa is required for children up to/incl. 16 years of age, provided For details, click here
Oct 27, 2014, 6:36 am
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I still wonder to the rationale in terms of terminal moving - for example why should BCN move to T3? Why the BCN route? Why is my GIB flight T 3 and not T5? BUD as well - yet the existing Irish flights etc all get T5 from T1?
Makes little sense to me....
Makes little sense to me....
Oct 27, 2014, 6:43 am
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BFS/DUB have to go to T5 or T2 as T3/T4 don't have any domestic capability, T1 is shutting. T2 doesn't have a BA presence, so that leaves T5.
Oct 27, 2014, 6:44 am
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Thus there is inevitable pressure to shift high-frequency connecting traffic to T5, and push infrequently connecting routes like BCN, and perhaps GIB out to T3.
Then there is the fact that T1 is closing soon.
Accommodating DUB required physical changes to the terminal structure since we don't apply immigration controls to DUB but we don't trust their airside security.
This delayed the move a bit.T3 does not have the capacity to handle domestic or common travel area flights, so DUB/BHD could not move there without a lot of changes to the terminal.
Oct 27, 2014, 6:58 am
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Gib has been mucked about for years with BA -it's Gatwick for a while, then T5 LHR for a while, then back to LGW then T3 LHR - anyway suites me lounge choices are fine at T3 but down side is the connections onwards and return that route via T5...and quite a few do ex GIB
Oct 27, 2014, 8:57 am
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When I spoke to the Irish Immigration office a couple of years ago, he said if you are a UK national, you have to prove you a a UK national. Not sure if a UK driving licience would achieve this. Its about proving nationality, not identity. He wasnt interested that I had UK residency, etc.
UK Borders do not impose immigration checks on flights in from the Irish Republic. So it is a UK waiver, not an Irish waiver.
I believe if you fly to Belfast (UK) and take the train or the bus to Dublin, passport checks might be overlooked.
Oct 27, 2014, 11:49 am
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I hold a non-EU passport. I can confirm that you do to enter and leave Dublin Airport. Irish impose passport checks and visa stamps on all non-EU passengers.
When I spoke to the Irish Immigration office a couple of years ago, he said if you are a UK national, you have to prove you a a UK national. Not sure if a UK driving licience would achieve this. Its about proving nationality, not identity. He wasnt interested that I had UK residency, etc.
UK Borders do not impose immigration checks on flights in from the Irish Republic. So it is a UK waiver, not an Irish waiver.
I believe if you fly to Belfast (UK) and take the train or the bus to Dublin, passport checks might be overlooked.
When I spoke to the Irish Immigration office a couple of years ago, he said if you are a UK national, you have to prove you a a UK national. Not sure if a UK driving licience would achieve this. Its about proving nationality, not identity. He wasnt interested that I had UK residency, etc.
UK Borders do not impose immigration checks on flights in from the Irish Republic. So it is a UK waiver, not an Irish waiver.
I believe if you fly to Belfast (UK) and take the train or the bus to Dublin, passport checks might be overlooked.
Funny though how I don't need a passport to travel to BHD but need one to travel to DUB although there is nothing stopping me from driving between Northern Ireland and Ireland.