Is BA about to devalue Avios?
From the View from the Wing blog:
"It looks like Iberia may have just gone and gutted their frequent flyer program for redemptions on most partner airlines, at least for the rewards that have been the best value. And since Iberia and British Airways are jointly owned, and share very similar programs (and the same named currency, Avios), one worries if something similar could be next for British Airways. The award chart has gotten astronomically expensive for short distance flying — so expensive I almost questioned whether it was a mistake. But there are some positives, too." Short haul redemptions in the US are great value and the last reason as to why I credit miles to BA. I really hope BA don't follow Iberia but hard to see how they don't! |
I hope they do, with a corresponding reduction in price of RFS, or an extension of rfs to economy flights globally.
A frequent flyer club should be for people who frequently fly on that carrier. Not a very popular opinion on ft. |
Originally Posted by paulwuk
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I hope they do, with a corresponding reduction in price of RFS, or an extension of rfs to economy flights globally.
A frequent flyer club should be for people who frequently fly on that carrier. Not a very popular opinion on ft. It is worth mentioning that most BA flights have more infrequent travellers than frequent travellers onboard. |
Originally Posted by paulwuk
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A frequent flyer club should be for people who frequently fly on that carrier. Not a very popular opinion on ft.
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Earlier today, The Freequent Flyer asked on Twitter if anyone else had run into this as a short roudtrip was pricing out at 38K IB Avios instead of the expected 9K.
http://saverocity.com/miles4more/wp-...4-17-22-12.png I had written about using IB Avios and seen the same chart on 8/15 but that was looking at AT (Royal Air Maroc). I'm not sure if that was the chart for AA yet at that point. Now the 'new' chart seems to be in use for all IB partners except IB, BA, VY and IG. Definitely an ugly development - if you have AA or US shorthauls to book I wouldn't wait! |
Originally Posted by paulwuk
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A frequent flyer club should be for people who frequently fly on that carrier. Not a very popular opinion on ft.
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Originally Posted by MOC991
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If they did devalue them, I don't see how it could possibly benefit higher status people who actually are frequent fliers. I guess in the sense that they would be flying anyway so they will still fly and get less benefits for their money. I don't really see the advantage for either side. I wouldn't say it is an unpopular opinion as much as it is illogical for your sake.
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Originally Posted by paulwuk
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I hope they do, with a corresponding reduction in price of RFS, or an extension of rfs to economy flights globally.
A frequent flyer club should be for people who frequently fly on that carrier. Not a very popular opinion on ft. |
Originally Posted by robsterny
(Post 23417164)
It also disadvantages their frequent flyers based in the US, of which there are many. UK based members will have access to RFS and a distance based chart that's great for short haul getaways. US members will no longer benefit from an equivalent if they implement a different award chart for OW partners. Not everyone in the US generates their Avios from credit cards, the JFK-LHR route alone must have a ton of US based flyers who are loyal to BA.
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Whilst there was parity between the Executive Club’s and Iberia Plus’ redemption tariffs at the time of the big revamp (November 2011), there has been increasing divergence between the two during the past couple of years. With both run as independent profit centres within IAG; both with vastly different membership profiles, I don’t believe there are reasons for EC members to panic.
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Originally Posted by Crampedin13A
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Then wouldn't that sort of flyer be better served by being in AA Advantage? They can still get their AA and corresponding alliance benefits miles flying JFK-LHR on BA.
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Originally Posted by robsterny
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Yes, if BA change the short haul chart for OW partners then it would seem to make more sense to credit flights to AA. They also have a better hard product on the JFK route, so may as well fly them as well!
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Originally Posted by Prospero
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Whilst there was parity between the Executive Club’s and Iberia Plus’ redemption tariffs at the time of the big revamp (November 2011), there has been increasing divergence between the two during the past couple of years. With both run as independent profit centres within IAG; both with vastly different membership profiles, I don’t believe there are reasons for EC members to panic.
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Originally Posted by MOC991
(Post 23417126)
If they did devalue them, I don't see how it could possibly benefit higher status people who actually are frequent fliers. I guess in the sense that they would be flying anyway so they will still fly and get less benefits for their money. I don't really see the advantage for either side. I wouldn't say it is an unpopular opinion as much as it is illogical for your sake.
Presumably this allows Ba to be more competitive elsewhere by reducing the money that gets paid to aa for the "free" flights. As a Ba flyer I will presumably benefit from this. If you're based in the uk, join baec. Based in the us, join aa. Based in japan, join jal. Ba's revenues from selling miles is tiny compared with selling seats to last minute business flyers. In 2009 passenger Revenue was 7800 million, cargo about 600, and all other revenue 400, of which selling miles is a fraction. |
Wow! Maybe that is why there have been no MR transfer bonuses this year.
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