Optimising DONEx fares for BAEC TPs

Old Aug 7, 14, 1:01 pm
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Optimising DONEx fares for BAEC TPs

In the mileage run thread it was suggested that I start a new thread on using DONEx fares for TP running (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/23321724-post3286.html).

First a couple of things:

* DONEx fares are not really weekend TP run fares - they're designed for some serious travelling and you'll need some time to do these. You could do these fares in a couple of weeks, but it would be a couple of weeks of flying daily.
* DONEx fares are not cheaper than the TP runs listed in the TP Runs thread. It's easy to construct fares that are in the sub GBP3/TP range (sometimes below GBP2/TP), but these are not going to get you up one status level if you're close - these are about planning your holidays and ending up with around 2000+ TP or even 2500+ TP if you plan carefully.
* DONEx fares are expensive. They have a pile of rules, and there are ways to make them cheaper, but ultimately it's about paying more than you would normally and getting a LOT more out of them (flying CW/Business or higher) for roughly double what you would be paying for WT/Economy/Coach, for many more TP. Plus the trips are fun too, and have you going to really out of the way places.

With these fares, you get 16 segments, and you pay for a given number of continents based on where you start. You get a specified number of maximum segments within each continent (4 in most continents, 6 in North America), but no more than 16 total. If you don't know about DONEx fares, you should have a look at the oneworld forums: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...cket-faqs.html

Other forums (AA and QFF are the ones I'm familiar with) commonly have discussions on these fares, but the emphasis in those programs is on having longer and longer itineraries (because in AA you're chasing Elite Qualifying Miles or Points and in QFF the Status Credits system rewards you for longer and longer flights. Itineraries optimised for those programs usually are upwards of 50000 miles on a single itinerary.

BAEC is different, in that flights of greater than 2000 miles are rewarded, but there's not a lot of additional reward beyond that (in Business/CW, it's 140 TP for a >2000 mile flight, but you have to travel greater than 6000 miles to get only 20 extra TP on that segment at 160TP). The contrast with that is that BAEC penalises you for segment below 2000 miles, giving you only 40TP for short haul flights.

So the aim here is to get 16 segments of greater than 2000 miles each, avoid any segments of less than 2000 miles. If you can achieve this, and max out your sectors flying a DONEx fare, that alone is 16 x 140 TPs, which is 2240TPs.

You might pick up a few extra TPs by some of the long intercontinental flights, but within continents you should be looking at flights that are all over 2000 miles. It's not hard to do this. Here's how to start searching for those segments:

* Load up the oneworld map: http://onw.innosked.com/?show=MAP. This is the official map for the entire alliance.
* In the little "settings" icon in the bottom left, change the "Distance measured in "Kilometres" to "Miles". Click OK.
* Now you will be looking at the map. If you choose any point you want to fly to/from, then click on that city and choose "show destinations". In the window in the top right will be all the destinations from that city - you'll need to "sort by distance" to find the flights that are greater than 2000 miles.

There are >2000 mile options that you can max out in all continents.

There is one exception to this - US Airways and American Airlines domestic fares. If you have a DONEx fare, and the flight is a domestic 2-class aircraft (First/Coach), then you will be eligible to choose a seat in First (A), and you'll earn TPs for first. again, >2000 miles is the goal, so for those flights you'll earn an extra 70TP per segment there (210 total). Prior to 1st July 2014 it was easy to get multiple segments greater than 2000 miles, as you could double back and forth at PHX and CLT (US Airways hubs), and now these are transcontiental cities, and you can only fly one transcontinental. But there are ways around this, if you're willing to be creative.

The other exception is the BA15/16 LHR/SYD or QF1/2 LHR/SYD or QF9/10 LHR/MEL. These are worth more per segment (80TPs more, at 240TP per segment, but it will also push up the price (as you'll be covering three continents (Europe, Asia, South West Pacific), so may make it more expensive (since you pay for the fare based on number of continents flown). If you're wanting to fly there, though, you'll find it useful.

Any more questions, just ask!
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Old Aug 7, 14, 1:04 pm
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Old Aug 7, 14, 1:10 pm
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I was waiting for this - really useful already. Bring on the current rules post!
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Old Aug 7, 14, 1:34 pm
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Having spent time in the MR Discussion forum off and on over the years helping with mileage runs, I'm surprised that this isn't a more popular topic. The last time help was requested on this topic that I could find was in the oneworld forum back in 2009.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ier-miles.html

This thread could be a great resource, and should be linked in the BAEC Forum Dashboard.
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Old Aug 7, 14, 5:06 pm
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I'm definitely following this path instead of recurring Platinum One on a yearly or biennial basis. This way you can reach lifetime oneworld Emerald status in around 7-8 years if completing DONE5 upwards of 5,000 TP each year. This value proposition is much more attractive than re qualifying for QF WP1 status! Good work S!
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Old Aug 7, 14, 6:30 pm
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Interesting thread! I did a DONE4 recently (EMEA-Asia-SWP-North America) and managed to get just over 1,500 TPs. 9 of these were long (>2000m), the other 6 were sub 2000m ie. 40 TPs each.

I think its pretty hard to use all 16 segments and get each one to be a plus 2000-miler but I'm sure there are better earners than the route I took. Whilst I wasn't doing this trip purely for TP (though that was welcomed) some limitations I found and worth mentioning are : 1. number of transcons you can take in the US is limited to one 2. If you are going East ie. in the direction of SWP to NA then you are likely to fly from the SWP into LAX.....annoyingly the popular transcon to JFK is now on a 3 class A321 which is a lovely plane but you will be in business class so earn 140TP as opposed to 210TP you used to get on a 2 class (you can still get these points by flying to somewhere like MIA instead on the right aircraft). 3. the fact that Qantas have binned international flights from PER (before you could get a 140 TP flight into Perth from Asia and then bag another 140TP from a transcon flight over to say Sydney) really limiting the tier point earning potential intra-Australasia, meaning I ended up with just a load of short 40TP flights ( I did BNE-CNS-SYD-AKL)

If you are flying as far as NZ and want to maximise points on AKL-LAX, go with CX via HKG which gets you 300 TPs as opposed to just 200 with QF via SYD. A much longer journey but CX is fantastic as always.

The greatest thing about the DONE for me though was the flexibility and all the date and time changes I could make, you'll never get that much flexibility for anywhere near this price on normal J tickets!
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Old Aug 8, 14, 2:00 am
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Originally Posted by nh1980 View Post
I think its pretty hard to use all 16 segments and get each one to be a plus 2000-miler but I'm sure there are better earners than the route I took.
Understood - I previously thought it was a lot harder than it was, but there are many >2000 mile options in Europe/Middle East, US (you can easily get three into most itineraries) and South America, and Asia. South West Pacific is a little trickier with the limitations they set.


1. number of transcons you can take in the US is limited to one 2. If you are going East ie. in the direction of SWP to NA then you are likely to fly from the SWP into LAX.....annoyingly the popular transcon to JFK is now on a 3 class A321 which is a lovely plane but you will be in business class so earn 140TP as opposed to 210TP you used to get on a 2 class (you can still get these points by flying to somewhere like MIA instead on the right aircraft).
Absolutely, but I"ve been able to work out at least 3 >2000 mile flights on the intra-US flights, and there are more options if you're willing to use time-limited direct (not non-stop) US Airways flights (multiple flights, one flight number). HNL can make it 4 easily as well.

The LAX-JFK transcon is understandable, but there are many more that you can do.

3. the fact that Qantas have binned international flights from PER (before you could get a 140 TP flight into Perth from Asia and then bag another 140TP from a transcon flight over to say Sydney) really limiting the tier point earning potential intra-Australasia, meaning I ended up with just a load of short 40TP flights ( I did BNE-CNS-SYD-AKL)
True, but not impossible. QFs massive reduction in routes and limitations on domestic transcon flight in Australia make it harder there, which is why I tend to avoid using it for most itineraries.

If you are flying as far as NZ and want to maximise points on AKL-LAX, go with CX via HKG which gets you 300 TPs as opposed to just 200 with QF via SYD. A much longer journey but CX is fantastic as always.

The greatest thing about the DONE for me though was the flexibility and all the date and time changes I could make, you'll never get that much flexibility for anywhere near this price on normal J tickets!
Absolutely - and that's why they are gems of flights!
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Old Aug 8, 14, 11:07 am
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Great thread - thanks for starting it beardoc! Would be interested in some recent example itineraries and pricing to give a flavour of things as the flexibility is definitely interesting.
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Old Aug 8, 14, 2:57 pm
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Agree, great thread. I always enjoy playing around with the round-the-world planner on the oneworld website and dreaming of the day I'll have enough time off to really enjoy a RTW trip.
dream trip is some variant of the following DONE4 trip:

PRG-LHR/LCY-JFK-SAN-DFW-ANC-DFW-HNL-NRT-SIN-NRT-CGK-HKG-DOH-LHR-PRG

costs around 5,830 and earns 2170 TP's (40+210+210+60+210+210+210+140+140+140+140+140+140 +140+40)

do miss out on a leg b/c of the airport change from LHR to LCY, but that opens up the LCY flight to JFK which earns 210TP's.
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Old Aug 9, 14, 6:14 am
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For me, these fares are handy but I wouldn't buy one purely as a TP run. If I'm doing a RTW ticket with work, however, it's a no brainer to go with one of these fares; if for no other reason than their flexibility.
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