Crossrail and LHR T5
Jul 4, 2017, 9:02 am
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Jul 4, 2017, 9:02 am
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Jul 4, 2017, 9:07 am
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edit - I see calchas beat me too it plus a link!
Jul 4, 2017, 10:09 am
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https://consultations.networkrail.co...inktoheathrow/
Jul 4, 2017, 10:13 am
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It seems very complicated. I guess there's lots of people and groups involved, all with their own wants and also an existing infrastructure needing to be adapted to changing terminals as time passes.
In some ways I don't know why all trains and tubes don't just go London to T2&3 to T5. A shuttle service could operate to T4 from T2&3. A same-platform transfer could be set up and if trains and shuttles connected there shouldn't be too much extra time needed to get to T4, on average, owing to more frequent trains.
In some ways I don't know why all trains and tubes don't just go London to T2&3 to T5. A shuttle service could operate to T4 from T2&3. A same-platform transfer could be set up and if trains and shuttles connected there shouldn't be too much extra time needed to get to T4, on average, owing to more frequent trains.
Jul 4, 2017, 11:18 am
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It seems very complicated. I guess there's lots of people and groups involved, all with their own wants and also an existing infrastructure needing to be adapted to changing terminals as time passes.
In some ways I don't know why all trains and tubes don't just go London to T2&3 to T5. A shuttle service could operate to T4 from T2&3. A same-platform transfer could be set up and if trains and shuttles connected there shouldn't be too much extra time needed to get to T4, on average, owing to more frequent trains.
In some ways I don't know why all trains and tubes don't just go London to T2&3 to T5. A shuttle service could operate to T4 from T2&3. A same-platform transfer could be set up and if trains and shuttles connected there shouldn't be too much extra time needed to get to T4, on average, owing to more frequent trains.
There also isn't any track to complete the loop to have a circular one that would allow T4 >> T123 >>> T4 service
You's also need to fit it in to the pattern of the T5 > T123 > Town trains and that would have schedule implications for the rest of the line.
I can't see TFL wanting to do this sort of work for what would be very little (if any) benefit to them.
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Jul 4, 2017, 11:49 am
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Re the tube there is only one track on the T4 loop from London around to T123 and then back to London.
There also isn't any track to complete the loop to have a circular one that would allow T4 >> T123 >>> T4 service
You's also need to fit it in to the pattern of the T5 > T123 > Town trains and that would have schedule implications for the rest of the line.
I can't see TFL wanting to do this sort of work for what would be very little (if any) benefit to them.
There also isn't any track to complete the loop to have a circular one that would allow T4 >> T123 >>> T4 service
You's also need to fit it in to the pattern of the T5 > T123 > Town trains and that would have schedule implications for the rest of the line.
I can't see TFL wanting to do this sort of work for what would be very little (if any) benefit to them.
Jul 4, 2017, 1:41 pm
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AFAIK, they could easily integrate CR into the existing network. After all that's what they did with the DLR, London Overground and trams. A special crossrail zone for Heathrow seems counterproductive.
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Jul 4, 2017, 1:55 pm
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Could they even differentiate fares. Unless Crossrail will be using dedicated stations, it's going to be tough to separate tube users from Crossrail users. I haven't spend too much time pondering about CR stations at LHR, but I have seen renderings of the central London stations and all have access points to existing tubes.
After crossrail opens if you were to touch out at the current normal Paddington station platforms (assuming HEX allows that) then you would be assumed to have use the HEX but at the Elizabeth Line Paddington station which is underground you would have used the Elizabeth service and thus be charged the different fare.
Jul 4, 2017, 2:39 pm
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That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
Jul 4, 2017, 2:43 pm
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But only if there are separate gates. AFAIK Elizabeth line is going to be fully integrated into existing underground stations, hence making it impossible to know if someone traveling from Bond Street to Tottenham Court Road used the Central line or the Elisabeth line.
That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
Jul 4, 2017, 2:47 pm
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But only if there are separate gates. AFAIK Elizabeth line is going to be fully integrated into existing underground stations, hence making it impossible to know if someone traveling from Bond Street to Tottenham Court Road used the Central line or the Elisabeth line.
That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
Tube passengers arriving at LHR at T2/3 and T5 will use the current entrance/exits which are completely separate from HEX or wherever crossrail will go. They wouldn't mix with HEX/crossrail passengers at LHR.
Jul 4, 2017, 2:51 pm
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But only if there are separate gates. AFAIK Elizabeth line is going to be fully integrated into existing underground stations, hence making it impossible to know if someone traveling from Bond Street to Tottenham Court Road used the Central line or the Elisabeth line.
That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
That said, (and again, I don't really know the station situation for Crossrail at LHR), if they don't mix passengers before they touch out, they could charge differently.
At Gatwick for example the differentiation happens at Victoria and you are charged depending on which gate line you touch out at. Gates 13/14 = GEX
Jul 4, 2017, 3:14 pm
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And this has just appeard on the 'Ian viits' blog
Elizabeth Line gets an extension to T5
It will happen from December 2019
And from from May 2018 new ticket readers will be installed at LHR allowing contactless and oyster cards to be used
Elizabeth Line gets an extension to T5
It will happen from December 2019
And from from May 2018 new ticket readers will be installed at LHR allowing contactless and oyster cards to be used
Jul 4, 2017, 3:18 pm
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So I guess this will mean with Oyster card readers installed at the HEX platforms, in order to use the HEX to transfer between termainls you would need an oyster or contactless card? Atm you do for the tube but for those with neither you can use the HEX.