Jan 1, 2014, 6:10 am
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.
Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.
As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.
Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed
What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...
This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.
There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.
2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.
What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.
The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.
Differences for non-BA airlines
Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.
As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.
Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed
What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...
This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.
There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.
2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.
What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.
The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.
Differences for non-BA airlines
- Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
- Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
Help to check seat availability and flight loads
Aug 25, 2014, 11:56 am
#121
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Taunton, UK
Programs: BA Silver, Marriott Silver
Posts: 1,158
Deleted - couldn't understand why flightstats wasn't bringing up flights.. Always remember set to "Midnight or later" 
Last edited by AdamUK; Aug 25, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Aug 27, 2014, 5:36 am
#122
Join Date: May 2008
Programs: BA Executive club Gold ,Skywards
Posts: 322
BA0479 BCN-LHR Loads
Hi , can anyone tell me what the availability is like for BA0479 on 31/08/14 ? Y and CE seem extremely full according to the seat maps
Many thanks
Many thanks
Aug 27, 2014, 5:44 am
#123
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: not far from MUC
Posts: 6,620
J4 Y9
fairly full
fairly full
Aug 27, 2014, 5:45 am
#124
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Manila, Philippines (MNL)
Programs: BAEC Gold [>20k Lifetime TPs] | Hilton Honors Lifetime Diamond [as is Mrs PtF] | Various Others
Posts: 6,156
Aug 27, 2014, 5:55 am
#125
Join Date: May 2008
Programs: BA Executive club Gold ,Skywards
Posts: 322
Thanks for that and the guidance for finding out myself@:-)
Aug 28, 2014, 4:56 am
#126
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Great Britain
Programs: Air: QR Silver. BA Silver Emirates, Hotels: CC Gold, IHG Spire AMB, Hilton Diamond.
Posts: 1,487
Hi, I'd like to try this out to check for BAEC Avios award seat availability on Aer Lingus in economy. Which fare buckets should I be looking at ?
Looking for Oct4th Dub-Bos, Oct 12th Bos-Dub.
Is it a different fare bucket when using Avios from Avios, rather than from BAEC ?! Not sure how else to word that !
Thanks in advance of your help.
Looking for Oct4th Dub-Bos, Oct 12th Bos-Dub.
Is it a different fare bucket when using Avios from Avios, rather than from BAEC ?! Not sure how else to word that !
Thanks in advance of your help.
Aug 28, 2014, 10:09 am
#127
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,949
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#EI
There is currently no EI Award Availability on those dates:
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.2/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]
Code:
DUB Dublin IE [EIDW] BOS Boston Logan Intl MA US [KBOS] SAT 04 Oct 2014 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ BA 837 DUB 15:20 LHR 16:40 0 CS+ -> BA 239 LHR 19:25 BOS 21:40 0 CS+
Code:
BOS Boston Logan Intl MA US [KBOS] DUB Dublin IE [EIDW] SUN 12 Oct 2014 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- US 2143 BOS 10:00 LGA 11:18 0 FS+ CS- YS+ -> AA 290 JFK 19:05 DUB 06:55 +1 0 FS- CS- YS+ US 2145 BOS 11:00 LGA 12:14 0 FS+ CS- YS+ -> AA 290 JFK 19:05 DUB 06:55 +1 0 FS- CS- YS+ US 2147 BOS 12:00 LGA 13:14 0 FS+ CS- YS+ -> AA 290 JFK 19:05 DUB 06:55 +1 0 FS- CS- YS+ US 2151 BOS 14:00 LGA 15:23 0 FS+ CS- YS+ -> AA 290 JFK 19:05 DUB 06:55 +1 0 FS- CS- YS+ BA 202 BOS 22:45 LHR 10:05 +1 0 FS- CS- YS+ -> BA 830 LHR 14:05 +1 DUB 15:20 +1 0 FS- CS+ YS+ BA 202 BOS 22:45 LHR 10:05 +1 0 FS- CS- YS+ -> BA 824 LHR 17:25 +1 DUB 18:40 +1 0 FS- CS+ YS-
Aug 28, 2014, 11:43 am
#128
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Great Britain
Programs: Air: QR Silver. BA Silver Emirates, Hotels: CC Gold, IHG Spire AMB, Hilton Diamond.
Posts: 1,487
Thankyou ever so much for looking this up for me.
I'm tempted by a KVS or ExpertFlyer subscription but wouldn't get much use out of it - but that usually doesn't stop me from buying things :-) And I'd still play with it a lot just out of interest !!
I used http://www.flightstats.com/ to see what I could glean from that (first time using it) and presumed X was the redemptions bucket given that its mentioned in a previous post on this thread as such BUT of course I was just guessing that it was the same on EI as it was for whatever airline was being discussed there.
I quote..... "X is for Economy, P is for Premium Economy, U is for Business and Z is for First - these are the redemption classes. Additionally Golds can access V class availability for Economy rewards." from post #119.
Was looking for Boston as the first part of my journey to Vegas and San Francisco.
Flightstats shows 4 seats in X on most of their flights so was getting pretty excited :-(
I honed in on DUB-LAS outbound and then SFO-DUB inbound as I could have a few days in San Fran on my way home. I thought I'd found availability out on the 3rd and back on the 13th but of course I'd made the incorrect assumption that X was the necessary fare bucket.
Thanks very much for your help. I'd be delighted for any more help / info you can give my way on this but you've already been great. Thanks.
I'm tempted by a KVS or ExpertFlyer subscription but wouldn't get much use out of it - but that usually doesn't stop me from buying things :-) And I'd still play with it a lot just out of interest !!
I used http://www.flightstats.com/ to see what I could glean from that (first time using it) and presumed X was the redemptions bucket given that its mentioned in a previous post on this thread as such BUT of course I was just guessing that it was the same on EI as it was for whatever airline was being discussed there.
I quote..... "X is for Economy, P is for Premium Economy, U is for Business and Z is for First - these are the redemption classes. Additionally Golds can access V class availability for Economy rewards." from post #119.
Was looking for Boston as the first part of my journey to Vegas and San Francisco.
Flightstats shows 4 seats in X on most of their flights so was getting pretty excited :-(
I honed in on DUB-LAS outbound and then SFO-DUB inbound as I could have a few days in San Fran on my way home. I thought I'd found availability out on the 3rd and back on the 13th but of course I'd made the incorrect assumption that X was the necessary fare bucket.
Thanks very much for your help. I'd be delighted for any more help / info you can give my way on this but you've already been great. Thanks.
Last edited by Sisyphus1carus; Aug 28, 2014 at 12:02 pm Reason: looking for DUB-LAS, SFO-DUB really.
Aug 28, 2014, 6:37 pm
#129
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: UK
Programs: Mucci, BA, AF
Posts: 10,129
The post you quoted was mine - and referred to BAEC Avios availability for BA flights. It's similar for oneworld partners, but I've had some differences, mainly AA Y.
Aug 31, 2014, 11:48 am
#130
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Great Britain
Programs: Air: QR Silver. BA Silver Emirates, Hotels: CC Gold, IHG Spire AMB, Hilton Diamond.
Posts: 1,487
EI (Aer Lingus)
Talking nonsense, sorry !!
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Sep 18, 2014, 7:34 pm
#131
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Bangkok
Programs: BAEC Silver, Marriott Silver Elite
Posts: 128
This is the availability for my upcoming flight (in the next 72 hours). It's been 9's all week in all classes and then suddenly today it's changed to this.
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.2/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Do this imply that they're oversold in WT+ and Y? Or is this just normal behaviour just before the flight?
[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.2/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Code:
BKK Bangkok Metro / Suvarnabhumi Intl TH = BKK DMK [VTBS] LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL] Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------- BA 10 BKK 11:20 LHR 17:35 777 J4 C3 D3 R4 I4 W0 E0 T0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
Last edited by Prospero; Oct 30, 2014 at 11:09 am Reason: Remove commercial link
Sep 18, 2014, 7:47 pm
#132
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 4,964
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Last edited by angatol; Mar 1, 2015 at 12:08 am
Sep 26, 2014, 3:32 pm
#133
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 315
seat availability KVS software
Hello mates,
Can you please check the seat availability in Economy for me?
BA 25 - LHR to HKG on August 3rd and 4th and 5th.
Many thanks
Can you please check the seat availability in Economy for me?
BA 25 - LHR to HKG on August 3rd and 4th and 5th.
Many thanks
Sep 27, 2014, 1:26 pm
#134
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: London
Posts: 17,007
This is UK availability, it might differ for other places.
All the discount Y buckets are presently closed.
Code:
Flight Availability Search
Departing LHR on 08/04/15 12:00 AM ± 1 Day(s) for HKG
Flying BA
Point of Sale: UK
Frequency
Flight Stops Depart Arrive Aircraft Reliability Available Classes
BA 25 0 LHR HKG 388 Unavailable F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 TC Y9 B9 HC KC MC LC VC SC NC QC OC G0
08/03/15 6:35 PM 08/04/15 1:15 PM 10% / 61m
BA 25 0 LHR HKG 388 Unavailable F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 T6 Y9 B9 HC KC MC LC VC SC NC QC OC G0
08/04/15 6:35 PM 08/05/15 1:15 PM 10% / 61m
BA 25 0 LHR HKG 388 Unavailable F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 T9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 LC VC SC NC QC OC G0
08/05/15 6:35 PM 08/06/15 1:15 PM 10% / 61m
Sep 28, 2014, 6:26 am
#135
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 315
Thanks Calchas
Yeah it's early but I still don't understand why class code O is closed so early?? It doesn't make sense at all. How come it can fill the Y class so quickly??
Very disappointed. I only want to fly with BA!!!
Yeah it's early but I still don't understand why class code O is closed so early?? It doesn't make sense at all. How come it can fill the Y class so quickly??
Very disappointed. I only want to fly with BA!!!