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Help to check seat availability and flight loads

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Old Jul 9, 17, 1:19 am   -   Wikipost
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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Aug 2, 14, 4:26 am
          #91  
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        Thanks so much!
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        Old Aug 4, 14, 3:23 am
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        BA97 LHR-YYZ Loads

        FTers,

        Could someone let me know how the CW load looks on Wed Aug-06 and whether there an any upper deck seats hanging around?

        Thanks.
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        Old Aug 4, 14, 3:29 am
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        Showing all 9s

        60 JK
        61 AB J
        62 AB J

        Open
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        Old Aug 4, 14, 3:30 am
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        Assuming you mean 0097 which is the only 747-opped flight:

        Still available on UD:

        60 J K
        61 AB J
        62 AB J
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        Old Aug 4, 14, 11:41 am
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        Perfect, thank you both!
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        Old Aug 4, 14, 2:22 pm
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        BA12 Sin - LHR 26/10/14

        Could someone check how busy BA12 is Singapore - Lhr on 26 October The plane has been changed from a 380 to 747. so had been allocated two seats in a row of three instead of the pair we had booked on the 380. Have since managed to change them to a pair at the back of the plane, but just wondered what the likeliehood would have been if we had kept the pair of seats in the group of three??? Hope you can understand what I mean
        Thanks

        Maureen
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        Old Aug 5, 14, 1:51 am
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        Originally Posted by jimmymcs View Post
        Could someone check how busy BA12 is Singapore - Lhr on 26 October The plane has been changed from a 380 to 747. so had been allocated two seats in a row of three instead of the pair we had booked on the 380. Have since managed to change them to a pair at the back of the plane, but just wondered what the likeliehood would have been if we had kept the pair of seats in the group of three??? Hope you can understand what I mean
        Thanks

        Maureen
        [KVS Availability Tool 7.4.1/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
        Code:
        SIN  Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
        LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
        SUN  26 Oct 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
        BA         16      SIN   22:55     LHR   04:50 +1  777      F1 A0 J9 C9 D9 R7 I4 W9 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V1 S9 N0 Q9 O0 G0
        BA         12      SIN   23:20     LHR   05:10 +1  744      F7 A5 J9 C9 D9 R7 I3 W8 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V4 S9 N2 Q9 O9 G0
        There are also 5 economy reward seats available too.

        Last edited by Prospero; Oct 30, 14 at 11:15 am Reason: Purge commercial link from KVS citation
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        Old Aug 6, 14, 8:31 am
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        Hi,
        I am terribly sorry to bother you with this, but could somebody check the load and seat availability on BA181 LHR-JFK on Aug 12th for me.
        Thanks in advance,
        NN77
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        Old Aug 6, 14, 8:42 am
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        Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
        Hi,
        I am terribly sorry to bother you with this, but could somebody check the load and seat availability on BA181 LHR-JFK on Aug 12th for me.
        Thanks in advance,
        NN77
        [KVS Availability Tool 7.4.1/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
        Code:
        LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
        JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
        TUE  12 Aug 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
        BA         117     LHR   08:30     JFK   11:05     744      F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R0 I0 W9 E9 T2 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M8 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         175     LHR   09:55     JFK   12:25     744      F7 A7 J9 C9 D8 R0 I0 W8 E8 T3 Y9 B9 H9 K2 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA/AA      1516    LHR   10:30     JFK   13:10     77W      F9 A0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         173     LHR   11:20     JFK   13:55     744      F7 A7 J9 C9 D9 R0 I0 W9 E9 T3 Y9 B9 H9 K1 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         177     LHR   13:10     JFK   15:50     777      F7 A7 J9 C9 D1 R0 I0 W9 E5 T1 Y7 B7 H4 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         115     LHR   14:35     JFK   17:25     777      F6 A5 J9 C9 D9 R2 I0 W9 E8 T0 Y7 B8 H5 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA/AA      1506    LHR   15:15     JFK   18:20     77W      F9 A0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0
        BA         113     LHR   16:00     JFK   18:45     744      F6 A5 J9 C9 D5 R0 I0 W9 E5 T2 Y6 B8 H4 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA/AA      1510    LHR   17:00     JFK   20:00     77W      F9 A0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0
        BA         179     LHR   18:05     JFK   20:55     744      F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 R0 I0 W9 E7 T0 Y9 B9 H7 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         181     LHR   19:00     JFK   22:00     777      F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I0 W9 E7 T3 Y9 B9 H7 K1 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         183     LHR   20:05     JFK   22:45     744      F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R0 I0 W9 E4 T0 Y6 B7 H4 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0

        Last edited by Prospero; Oct 30, 14 at 11:16 am Reason: Purge commercial link from KVS citation
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        Old Aug 6, 14, 2:44 pm
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        Thanks for checking that for me Tobias-UK!

        Seems like WT+ is quite opened on 181 and WT is not full (so probably no op-ups as of yet) so I will try to get AUP unless I manage to grab the exit seat in WT.
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        Old Aug 6, 14, 4:07 pm
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        Thanks for that Tobias!! Looks like there is quite a bit availability yet. October is quite a way off yet so that will probably change!!! Do you know if SIN to LHR is a buysdy route???

        Thanks again 😁

        Maureen
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        Old Aug 6, 14, 4:11 pm
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        SIN-LHR does usually go out rammed, yes
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        Old Aug 6, 14, 6:47 pm
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        Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
        Thanks for checking that for me Tobias-UK!

        Seems like WT+ is quite opened on 181 and WT is not full (so probably no op-ups as of yet) so I will try to get AUP unless I manage to grab the exit seat in WT.
        Note that WT+ being all 9s on KVS/FlightStats does not necessarily mean that much. I've got an SFO-LHR in WT+ on Friday, and the seat maps shows only 2 unoccupied (a bulkhead seat and an aisle exit row) but FlightStats has been showing showing W9E9T9 for the past few days, including this morning. It went to all 6's earlier today and I've just checked and its now at W1E1T1.

        During that time, J has gone from 9 to 8 during, and F has gone from 3 to 2.

        So, it can be the case that you don't get a reading more reflective of loads until a day or so before departure.
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        Old Aug 7, 14, 5:05 am
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        LHR-BOS

        I'm looking to UG WT+ > CW using Avios on BA203 (17:00) LHR-BOS on 29 Aug.

        Searching multiple times per day on ba.com, BA is taunting me with ever-increasing numbers of CW award seats on BA215 (18:00) and BA239 (19:25), current standing at high so far of 4 and 6 seats respectively. Been searching for this day numerous times per day for the last week and a half, and seen availability on the route come and go on an almost hourly basis, but not a sniff of anything on BA203 so far.

        Does anyone know whether this is normal? I can still (cash) buy up to 9 CW seats on each flight (including BA203) if I was so inclined, so it's not sold out or anything.
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        Old Aug 12, 14, 7:41 am
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        Could someone please check the loads for me on BA185 LHR-EWR for Thursday 14 August 2014 using UK point of sale please?
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