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Help to check seat availability and flight loads

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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Mar 30, 14, 1:35 pm
          #46  
         
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        Originally Posted by KVS View Post
        "?" means that whichever system you are using does not actually support U Class Availability.

        There are currently no Award Seats available on those flights:

        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.5/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-MLT]
        Code:
        DUB  Dublin IE [EIDW]
        BOS  Boston Logan Intl MA US [KBOS]
        MON  26 May 2014 | 1 Seat
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ---------------------
                                                                    No Award Availability
        Ok thank you very much for checking! =>
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        Old Mar 31, 14, 10:40 pm
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        Is there a way to check BA Avios availability of US Airways flights? The rep at BA told me this evening that the trans-atlantic US Airways flights ARE in their system but it wasn't showing any availability, and I am pretty sure there are three more award business class tickets available because I can book it thru AA or US... Flight is SNN-PHL-STL US777 May 26, US3207 May 27. Thank you!
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        Old Apr 1, 14, 10:07 am
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        Originally Posted by Rhibert View Post
        Is there a way to check BA Avios availability of US Airways flights? The rep at BA told me this evening that the trans-atlantic US Airways flights ARE in their system but it wasn't showing any availability, and I am pretty sure there are three more award business class tickets available because I can book it thru AA or US... Flight is SNN-PHL-STL US777 May 26, US3207 May 27. Thank you!
        Looks like US TATL Award Availability has now normalized:

        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
        Code:
        SNN  Shannon IE [EINN]
        PHL  Philadelphia Metro / Intl PA US = PHL TTN ZFV [KPHL]
        MON  26 May 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
        US         777     SNN   11:35     PHL   14:00              CS3  YS2
        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
        Code:
        PHL  Philadelphia Metro / Intl PA US = PHL TTN ZFV [KPHL]
        STL  St Louis Lambert-St Louis Intl MO US [KSTL]
        TUE  27 May 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
        US/YX      3207    PHL   13:55     STL   15:21              FS2  YS1
        US/YX      3217    PHL   18:55     STL   20:37              FS5  YS2
        US/ZW      3904    PHL   08:25     DCA   09:29              YS3
         -> AA/MQ  3023    DCA   10:35     STL   11:35              FS3  YS0
        AA/YX      4307    PHL   05:50     ORD   06:55              FS3  YS0
         -> AA/YX  4223    ORD   08:00     STL   09:10              FS3  YS0
        US         1731    PHL   11:35     ORD   12:46              FS5  YS0
         -> AA     1422    ORD   13:55     STL   15:00              FS5  YS0
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        Old Apr 1, 14, 12:13 pm
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        Thanks! I just checked BA's website and they were there, but I couldn't get both flights together on one reservation. Called BA to book, she said she couldn't get me on the PHL-STL flight on May 27, even though I could book it separately online. So I booked both legs separately online and now I'm going to call to see if they can merge them... sigh... this has been such a cluster!
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        Old Apr 21, 14, 9:26 am
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        Can someone please check availability on J-class EWR-LHR 26/04 BA186 departing at 23:00?

        Help much appreciated
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        Old Apr 21, 14, 9:29 am
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        Originally Posted by DrHalxx View Post
        Can someone please check availability on J-class EWR-LHR 26/04 BA186 departing at 23:00?
        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
        Code:
        EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
        LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
        SAT  26 Apr 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
        BA         188     EWR   21:05     LHR   08:50 +1  777      F9 A9 J9 C9 D5 R0 I0 W9 E9 T8 Y9 B9 H9 K7 M5 L3 V3 S3 N3 Q0 O6 G5
        BA         186     EWR   23:00     LHR   10:45 +1  788      J8 C5 D0 R0 I0 W1 E1 T0 Y9 B6 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
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        Old Apr 21, 14, 11:23 am
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        Does this mean that there are 13 business class seats left, 2 premium economy and 15 economy? Thanks!
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        Old Apr 21, 14, 12:22 pm
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        Originally Posted by DrHalxx View Post
        Does this mean that there are 13 business class seats left, 2 premium economy and 15 economy? Thanks!
        The figures are not cumulative -- please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting
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        Old Apr 22, 14, 7:53 am
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        Thanks!

        I guess then that my chances of an avios upgrade are quite slim with that load
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        Old May 27, 14, 4:55 am
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        BA U class

        I am booked in WT+ on the following paid itin and am looking to upgrade to CW. There is no availability. I will check every day to see if BA opens up U class seats- but, is there a time of day when BA makes changes, or do I just try my luck and keep checking at random times?
        Jun4 CAI-LHR BA154
        Jun 4 LHR-IAD BA265
        Jun 18 IAD-LHR BA292
        Jun 19 LHR-CAI BA155
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        Old Jun 4, 14, 10:08 am
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        What does it mean??

        Hello, i checked a BA flight from JFK to YUL on July 4. It says there are 9 seats, but this is what i get when i click on the details. There seems to be lots of airlines that have "9 seats" and it repeats if I change the date from 1 day before or after...Can someone explain? Are there really 9 seats or none?

        Also, is there a way to find out if the flights are codeshared? This BA flight has an * so I'm thinking it's a codeshare but I don't know which airline actually flies this flight.

        Thanks.

        First: n/a
        Business: n/a
        Coach: n/a
        Other: 0
        Fare Classes:Y/9 B/9 H/9 K/9 M/9 L/9 V/0 S/0 Q/0 G/0
        N/0 O/0
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        Old Jun 4, 14, 10:16 am
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        The 9 means at least 9 seats can be sold in that fare class.

        What's the flight number?
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        Old Jun 9, 14, 3:51 am
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        BA85 LHR-YVR Aug1

        I ran a search on itamatrix for this flight and it showed me availability in N.

        Brussels (BRU) to Vancouver (YVR) - Fri, Aug 1

        British Airways p.l.c. 395 Dep: 3:25PM Arr: 3:40PM 1h 15m Airbus A319 Coach (S)
        Layover in LHR 1h 35m
        British Airways p.l.c. 85 Dep: 5:15PM Arr: 6:40PM 9h 25m Boeing 747 Coach (N)

        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Toronto (YYZ) to Brussels (BRU) - Thu, Aug 21

        Finnair Oyj 5992 Dep: 6:45PM Arr: 6:40AM 6h 55m Boeing 787 Coach (S)
        OPERATED BY BRITISH AIRWAYS P.L.C.
        Layover in LHR Fri, Aug 22 2h 15m
        British Airways p.l.c. 392 Dep: 8:55AM Arr: 11:05AM 1h 10m Airbus A319 Coach (S)
        However, neither flightstats, nor expertflyer show availability in N.
        Who is wrong? And what would help me even more, how is this possible?

        Expertflyer
        F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 Y9 B7 H1 M0 G0
        Flightstats
        Available Seats:
        First: 9 (at least) Business: 9 (at least) Coach: 9 (at least) Other: 9 (at least)
        Fare Classes: F/9 A/9 C/9 D/9 R/9 I/9 Y/9 B/7 H/1 K/0 M/0 L/0 V/0 S/0 Q/0 G/0 J/9 W/9 E/0 T/0 N/0 O/0
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        Old Jun 9, 14, 7:02 am
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        Originally Posted by kcaluwae View Post
        Who is wrong?
        As ba.com can't see any N class on BA85 on 1 August (it's pricing it for me in H class), I expect it's probably ITA that's wrong.
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        Old Jun 17, 14, 11:39 pm
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        I usually fly AA so am used to their system. Two of my friends are flying BA 282 tomorrow 6/18/2014 LAX to LHR in Economy. As of a few hours ago, they did not have seat assignments. Both are rather tall and, thus, would prefer aisle seats.

        The flight leaves around 3:30pm and they are spending the night in an airport hotel, planning to go to the airport as early as feasible to get seat assignments.

        How early would you advise them to arrive at LAX to get seat assignments?
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