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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
  • Expert Flyer (subscription. 5 day free trial available)
  • KVS Tool Mobile Companion (Membership required)**
  • ITA Matrix (true/false availability for number of seats in specified bucket)

* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed


What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

Differences for non-BA airlines
  • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
  • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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Old Jun 28, 17, 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by ABZGirl View Post
Hello, could someone possibly check loads on the following flights, please:

BA2063 LGW-MRU, 1st July
BA2062 MRU-LGW, 9th July

Many thanks
Here you go, with UK POS.

LGW-MRU 1 July
J9 C0 D0 R0 I0 W7 E5 T0 Y9 B9 H8 K8 M7 L4 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G4

MRU-LGW 9 July
J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W8 E7 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q8 O6 G7
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Old Jun 28, 17, 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by gustavmahler View Post
Here you go, with UK POS.

LGW-MRU 1 July
J9 C0 D0 R0 I0 W7 E5 T0 Y9 B9 H8 K8 M7 L4 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G4

MRU-LGW 9 July
J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W8 E7 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q8 O6 G7
Thank you
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Old Jun 29, 17, 1:39 am
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Please can someone check the following for me, wondering weather to book now or wait?

BA59 LHR - CPT 28/03/18
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Old Jun 29, 17, 2:15 am
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Originally Posted by stewaran View Post
please can someone check the following for me, wondering weather to book now or wait?

Ba59 lhr - cpt 28/03/18
f1 a1 j9 c0 d0 r0 i0 w9 e0 t0 y9 b0 h0 k0 m0 l0 v0 s0 n0 q0 o0 g0
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Old Jun 29, 17, 2:18 am
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Originally Posted by deboyzoned View Post
f1 a1 j9 c0 d0 r0 i0 w9 e0 t0 y9 b0 h0 k0 m0 l0 v0 s0 n0 q0 o0 g0
Thanks, Looks like CPT must be a decent route for BA!
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Old Jun 29, 17, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by deboyzoned View Post
f1 a1 j9 c0 d0 r0 i0 w9 e0 t0 y9 b0 h0 k0 m0 l0 v0 s0 n0 q0 o0 g0
Originally Posted by stewaran View Post
Thanks, Looks like CPT must be a decent route for BA!
That's an interesting set of numbers. Would it be reasonable to conclude that Y and W are probably full or close to full and that any additional sales in full fare Y or W will probably result in upgrades going forward? If full fare J tickets are sold then this will probably reduce the numbers available for Y and W? Looks like an almost ideal scenario for the airline with any additional sales likely to generate high yield.
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Old Jun 29, 17, 4:50 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas View Post
Welcome to FlyerTalk and peace be upon you, ABDULLAH OM and also be welcome to the British Airways forum.

Normally we only look at oneworld flights here but since you are new ... ... I will bend the rules for you.

Code:
MCTDXB  EK 867  05SEP  F2 A2 J4 C4 I4 O7 P0 Y7 E7 R7 W7 M7 B7 U7 K7 H0 Q7 L7 T7 V7 X7
DXBSEA  EK 229  05SEP  F4 A4 J7 C7 I7 O7 P0 Y9 E9 R9 W9 M9 B9 U9 K9 H0 Q9 L9 T0 V0 X0
DXBSFO  EK 225  05SEP  F2 A2 J4 C4 I4 O7 P0 Y7 E7 R7 W7 M7 B7 U7 K7 H0 Q7 L7 T7 V7 X7
Thank you so much Calchas >> I really appreciate that

But can we know the exact available seats?

Regards,
Abdullah
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Old Jun 29, 17, 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by ABDULLAH OM View Post
Thank you so much Calchas >> I really appreciate that

But can we know the exact available seats?

Regards,
Abdullah
Alas no, this is not something the airlines will share.
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Old Jun 29, 17, 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by stewaran View Post
Please can someone check the following for me, wondering weather to book now or wait?

BA59 LHR - CPT 28/03/18
Seeing different loads now to the previous posters response for info.

BA 59 0 LHR
28/03/18 9:30 PM CPT
29/03/18 10:00 AM 744
Daily
76% / 19m F2 A0 J9 C9 D9 R3 I0 W9 E8 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
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Old Jun 29, 17, 6:59 am
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Sorry to bother Can someone kindly check on:

BA207 LHR-MIA 07 Jul
BA208 MIA-LHR 09 Jul

Thank you!
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Old Jun 29, 17, 7:02 am
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Ba 207 - f2 a1 j9 c3 d2 r1 i1 w7 e3 t0 y2 b2 h2 k2 m0 l0 v0 s0 n0 q0 o0 g0
ba 208 - f3 a2 j9 c3 d1 r0 i0 w9 e7 t5 y9 b9 h9 k9 m9 l9 v9 s9 n9 q9 o0 g9
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Old Jun 29, 17, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by deboyzoned View Post
Ba 207 - f2 a1 j9 c3 d2 r1 i1 w7 e3 t0 y2 b2 h2 k2 m0 l0 v0 s0 n0 q0 o0 g0
ba 208 - f3 a2 j9 c3 d1 r0 i0 w9 e7 t5 y9 b9 h9 k9 m9 l9 v9 s9 n9 q9 o0 g9
Thank you! And sorry! I wrote the wrong date for BA207... I needed the one on 08 Jul
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Old Jun 29, 17, 9:07 am
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Originally Posted by djb61 View Post
Seeing different loads now to the previous posters response for info.

BA 59 0 LHR
28/03/18 9:30 PM CPT
29/03/18 10:00 AM 744
Daily
76% / 19m F2 A0 J9 C9 D9 R3 I0 W9 E8 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
Thanks , Booked in Y :-(
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Old Jun 30, 17, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by golfmad View Post
Yes, I think there's a reasonable chance. I suspect that WT and WTP may be full but the airline is prepared to sell full fare tickets in both with a view to upgrading people from WT to WTP if necessary. This will have the knock on effect of a requirement to upgrade from WTP to CW and possibly further forward too. It will all depend on whether or not the cabins down the back are *actually* oversold or not on the day.

It would be interesting if you reported back what actually happens if you find out.
Reporting back...with success! No upper deck though unfortunately, and we are sitting on a rolling delay approaching 2 hours, but at least I get to sleep comfortably tonight ! Thanks all.
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Old Jul 1, 17, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by BA Humbug View Post
Reporting back...with success! No upper deck though unfortunately, and we are sitting on a rolling delay approaching 2 hours, but at least I get to sleep comfortably tonight ! Thanks all.
Interesting, thanks for the feedback and I hope the delay wasn't too bad in the end.
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