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Old Jan 1, 2014, 6:10 am
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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 5:47 am
          #3871  
         
        Join Date: May 2012
        Location: AMS
        Programs: Flying Blue Gold
        Posts: 2
        Could someone check:
        KL605 Oct 23
        AF83 Oct 29
        Much appreciated!
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 5:52 am
          #3872  
         
        Join Date: Jan 2005
        Programs: BA Gold, several other less interesting cards...
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        Originally Posted by Filthy Monkey
        Impossible to say, I'm afraid. It could go into both. It really depends on what Revenue Management believes can be sold.
        Not looking good then! Mrs srbrenna might have to go on the earlier flight!
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 5:52 am
          #3873  
         
        Join Date: May 2005
        Location: Kyiv, Ukraine
        Programs: Mucci, BA Gold, TK Elite, HHonors Lifetime Diamond
        Posts: 7,683
        Originally Posted by SDBo
        Could someone check:
        KL605 Oct 23
        AF83 Oct 29
        Much appreciated!
        Results from ExpertFlyer.com
        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing AMS on 10/23/16 12:00 AM for SFO
        
        
                                                                             Frequency
        Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability     Available Classes
        0 Connections
        KL 605        0      AMS                SFO                744       Daily           J0 C0 D0 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 E0 N9 R9 V9 G0 
                             10/23/16 9:50 AM   10/23/16 11:35 AM            57% / 30m
        Results from ExpertFlyer.com
        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing SFO on 10/29/16 12:00 AM for CDG
        
        
                                                                             Frequency
        Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability     Available Classes
        0 Connections
        AF 83         0      SFO                CDG                388       Daily           P2 F0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Z9 W9 S0 A0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L0 Q0 T2 E0 N0 R0 V0 G0 
                             10/29/16 4:00 PM   10/30/16 10:35 AM            77% / 23m
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 7:14 am
          #3874  
         
        Join Date: Oct 2016
        Posts: 107
        Can someone please check

        15 December 2016 CX807 ORD HKG

        Thanks!
        xuukgo is offline  
        Old Oct 18, 2016, 7:56 am
          #3875  
         
        Join Date: Aug 2014
        Posts: 70
        Originally Posted by Sam Bee
        This is one of lifes imponderables, it's impossible to predict. However I would not wait for any bookings Xmas, vast experience tells me Y class fares will not drop - the flight will be 100% full so no need to further discount (if looking at Business it might be different).

        However - I see on the return now 3 V class seats have been released - which means the price should be a little lower for 3 seats combined with your outbound. If it was me, i'd book as I doubt you'll get any W class seats opening up (which would make it cheaper still).

        FRI 23DEC16 NEWARK /LONDON AREA
        1 EWR LHR 2315#1105
        AI 172 C4 D4 J4 Z2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 K8 Q5 V3 WC GC LC UC TC SC EC NC
        Are these results in real time? I only ask because the fare has gone back up again, but it still shows at least 3 seats left in the V fare bucket?
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 8:02 am
          #3876  
         
        Join Date: May 2005
        Location: Kyiv, Ukraine
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        Posts: 7,683
        Originally Posted by xuukgo
        Can someone please check

        15 December 2016 CX807 ORD HKG

        Thanks!
        Results from ExpertFlyer.com
        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing ORD on 12/15/16 12:00 AM for HKG
        
        
                                                                             Frequency
        Flight        Stops  Depart             Arrive             Aircraft  Reliability     Available Classes
        
        0 Connections
        CX 807        0      ORD                HKG                77W       Daily           F5 A5 J9 C9 D9 I9 W9 R9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 
                             12/15/16 2:05 PM   12/16/16 7:55 PM             63% / 40m
        Andriyko is offline  
        Old Oct 18, 2016, 10:00 am
          #3877  
         
        Join Date: Jan 2005
        Programs: BA Gold, several other less interesting cards...
        Posts: 3,711
        Please forgive me for asking another damn fool question- Will the availability (F or A) be available immediately or does it take time?
        srbrenna is offline  
        Old Oct 18, 2016, 2:37 pm
          #3878  
        Moderator: British Airways Executive Club, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges and Environmentally Friendly Travel
        Original Poster
         
        Join Date: Jan 2003
        Location: London, UK
        Posts: 22,210
        Could a kind soul check the loads for BA28 and BA32 on 28 October for me please. I am currently waitlisted on both (WT+) but may push for a routing via PVG if these flights are filled with zeros.

        Thanks
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 3:02 pm
          #3879  
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        Join Date: Nov 2010
        Location: TPA/ABZ
        Programs: BA Lifetime Gold. GGL/CCR.
        Posts: 13,243
        Originally Posted by Prospero
        Could a kind soul check the loads for BA28 and BA32 on 28 October for me please. I am currently waitlisted on both (WT+) but may push for a routing via PVG if these flights are filled with zeros.

        Thanks
        Here you are.

        Results from ExpertFlyer.com
        Code:
        Flight Availability Search
        Departing HKG on 10/28/16 12:00 AM for LHR
        Flying BA
        Point of Sale: UK
        
        Frequency
        Flight Stops Depart Arrive Aircraft Reliability Available Classes
        0 Connections
        BA 32 0 HKG LHR 388 Unavailable F0 A0 J9 C0 DC RC IC W0 EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q1 OC G9
        10/28/16 11:05 PM 10/29/16 4:50 AM 84% / 16m
        
        0 Connections
        BA 28 0 HKG LHR 777 Unavailable F0 A0 J1 C0 DC RC IC W0 EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N8 Q1 OC G9
        10/28/16 11:45 PM 10/29/16 5:35 AM 92% / 13m
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 3:03 pm
          #3880  
         
        Join Date: Jan 2013
        Location: London, UK
        Programs: BA GGL, A3 Gold, M&M SEN, FlyingBlue Gold, AS MVP Gold, Hilton Diamond, IHG Spire Amb
        Posts: 902
        Originally Posted by Prospero
        Could a kind soul check the loads for BA28 and BA32 on 28 October for me please. I am currently waitlisted on both (WT+) but may push for a routing via PVG if these flights are filled with zeros.

        Thanks
        Search Departing HKG on 28/10/16 0:00 for LHR
        Flying BA
        Direct/Non-Stop Only
        Point of Sale: UK

        BA 32 F0 A0 J9 C0 DC RC IC W0 EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q1 OC G9
        BA 28 F0 A0 J1 C0 DC RC IC W0 EC TC Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N8 Q1 OC G9
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        Old Oct 18, 2016, 3:13 pm
          #3881  
        Moderator: British Airways Executive Club, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges and Environmentally Friendly Travel
        Original Poster
         
        Join Date: Jan 2003
        Location: London, UK
        Posts: 22,210
        Thanks golfmad and wmaciej for your kindness
        Prospero is offline  
        Old Oct 18, 2016, 7:03 pm
          #3882  
         
        Join Date: Oct 2016
        Posts: 1
        AF345

        Hello,

        Can any body helps with the AF345 on oct 24

        Thank you
        lantenettes is offline  
        Old Oct 18, 2016, 7:17 pm
          #3883  
         
        Join Date: Mar 2016
        Programs: OWE
        Posts: 131
        can someone please let me know the loads for:

        CX846 (departs October 19)
        HKG-JFK

        Thanks in advance
        staticx813 is offline  
        Old Oct 18, 2016, 9:27 pm
          #3884  
         
        Join Date: Jul 2010
        Location: YEG
        Programs: UA 1K, AC SE, WJ Gold
        Posts: 352
        BA190 Nov 13

        Can someone please provide seat load numbers for:
        AUS-LHR
        BA190
        Nov. 13

        TIA!!
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        Old Oct 19, 2016, 3:50 am
          #3885  
         
        Join Date: Jan 2005
        Programs: BA Gold, several other less interesting cards...
        Posts: 3,711
        Originally Posted by srbrenna
        Please forgive me for asking another damn fool question- Will the availability (F or A) be available immediately or does it take time?
        I'll answer that!
        The inventory took until the next day to update. F was full so the Avios ticket that I cancelled went into the F bucket instead of A.
        srbrenna is offline  


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